Civil Disobediance.
POSTED BY: Fremdfirma
UPDATED: Friday, October 24, 2025 19:32
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Quote:'The experts' just KNEW Saddam had WMD. The highest paid, best trained, most technologically proficient peeps on the planet, right? Lots of degrees in that bunch....
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
if you want to contradict the experts, then I'd like to see those degrees and the reasoning why.
'The experts' just KNEW margarine was better for you than butter.
'The experts' just KNEW the Earth was flat.
Wherever there is political pressure for a desired 'expert opinion', I can be sure it's full of shit.
Peeps doing pure science, devoid of politics, yeah, I'll take those folks word on it. My mechanic too. There's lots of good experts out there.
But more often than not, they're just well-spoken mouthpieces saying what's been 'approved' by their idiot bosses.
Face it man, our whole society is BUILT on deceit and ass-kissing.
Bad mood Chrisisall
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The experts KNEW how to avoid double posting....
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Quote:Although there's a certain level of appeal to authority in what Sigma posted, to be fair I don't think the 'experts' ever said any of the above.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
'The experts' just KNEW Saddam had WMD. The highest paid, best trained, most technologically proficient peeps on the planet, right? Lots of degrees in that bunch....
'The experts' just KNEW margarine was better for you than butter.
'The experts' just KNEW the Earth was flat.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Yes - landfills could be a resource. Just that you do have to rework the stuff you find - re-smelt the iron for example. That old rusty engine block isn't going to do you any good if you really need a pump-head.
But as I've been thinking about it - unless one has machining tools the best you'll get from the local blacksmith are crude iron objects. Plow tips, pans, knives, maybe even a musket - but not a small engine which relies on good machining and close tolerances.
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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."
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Hey Chris,isall
Sorry you're in a bad mood. Sometimes as you get off painkillers that can happen. When I stopped taking hydrocodone I was grumpy(ier than usual) for a week plus. Or if you're coming down with the flu the cytokines can get you that way too.
I hope you are back to your usual self soon.
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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."
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Quote:Thanks Rue. I just rented "Rambo"; I'll have the grumpy worked out of my system soon
Originally posted by rue:
I hope you are back to your usual self soon.
.AGHHHHHHHHHHHisall
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Quote:You so funny.
Originally posted by Fletch2:
The experts KNEW how to avoid double posting....
isall
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Well effective steam engines only happened because John Wilkinson had developed a machine for precisely cutting cannon bores. Without a precise bore you wouldn't be able to have cylinders that could hold a high pressure without leaking. Without some mechanism like a Bessemer converter you could not produce steel in enough quantity to make industrial mass production possible.
Technology is built up in steps, sometimes you need to make the machine that makes the machine that you actually need. Often this process is repeated several times. (Think how hard it is to make screws without a screw lathe and how hard it is to make most anything without screws....)
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Which is why I think Frem's (and Le Guin's) idea of how things could be just will never work - sadly. You really do need a larger integrated society to provide just the basics.
And besides, I like my running water and such-like.
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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."
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And there is the conundrum posed by Jared Diamond in Collapse: How Societies Choose to Succeed or Fail. The issue is this: Humans, being as short-sighted as we are, tend to breed or otherwise use up our resources to the very brink of disaster. We increasingly depend on clever technology to allow us to consume beyond the local carrying capacity. But if several things fail- for example if drought comes and trade routes are disrupted and the economy has to fall back on it's local ecology- all of the "easy" resources have already been used up. There is no EASY way to step backwards to a less intensive, less destructive way of life. The path forward cannot be traced backwards.
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Let's party like it's 1929.
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