Dumbest thing in FF/Serenity...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
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WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:53 PM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
In character: Not telling Tracy the plan. Seriously all Mal has to do is say, "We're not turning you over to the Feds" and Wash doesn't get shot, Kaylee doesn't get taken hostage, and Tracy gets a chance to maybe learn a lesson and move on.

YES - that's bugged me (and apparently a few others in this thread) since I first saw The Message. Thought it was just me...

That, and the climax of War Stories, where Mal and Torture-Guy are fighting on the balcony-type thing and Zoe and Co. burst in, Zoe saying that Mal must kick Torture-Guy's butt hisownself, etc. Hate that whole scene - it's a disservice to what is otherwise one of my favorite episodes.

It was like nit-picking for the soul when we got here!

WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Never kiss 'em on the mouth

Chrisisall

Yeah, about that...did Jayne ever elaborate on exactly where he does kiss 'em?

It was raisin' more questions than it answered when we got here!

DAVESHAYNE

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:09 PM

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Originally posted by WASHnwear:
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Originally posted by daveshayne:
In character: Not telling Tracy the plan. Seriously all Mal has to do is say, "We're not turning you over to the Feds" and Wash doesn't get shot, Kaylee doesn't get taken hostage, and Tracy gets a chance to maybe learn a lesson and move on.

YES - that's bugged me (and apparently a few others in this thread) since I first saw The Message. Thought it was just me...

The best light I can put on it is maybe they were doing some deep deconstruction thing with the usual trope of not telling the audience important parts of the plan to create drama (as seen in pretty much every episode of Mission Impossible and Inara's role in the caper from Trash) Kind of like, "See this is what happens if you don't spell out the plan in real life." It still seems mighty week.

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That, and the climax of War Stories, where Mal and Torture-Guy are fighting on the balcony-type thing and Zoe and Co. burst in, Zoe saying that Mal must kick Torture-Guy's butt hisownself, etc. Hate that whole scene - it's a disservice to what is otherwise one of my favorite episodes.

On this I disagree. That was just a wonderful way of showing how Mal differs from the usual Western Hero stereotype. Plus it was funny.

David

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:20 PM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
That was just a wonderful way of showing how Mal differs from the usual Western Hero stereotype. Plus it was funny.

That was one of the greatest moments in the series IMO.

Chrisisall

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:23 PM

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Originally posted by daveshayne:
In character: Not telling Tracy the plan. Seriously all Mal has to do is say, "We're not turning you over to the Feds" and Wash doesn't get shot, Kaylee doesn't get taken hostage, and Tracy gets a chance to maybe learn a lesson and move on.

Did you notice that Mal did the same with Simon in Bushwhacked? Told him to go get his sister without explaining that he'd be hiding them, not handing them over. Mal likes to test people. Simon passed, Tracy didn't. Too bad the test almost killed Kaylee - Mal's plans aren't so bright sometimes.

I'm not disagreeing though - the whole plot for The Message was swiss cheese. What was supposed to happen when Tracy delivered his fancy organs? Would his own be waiting in a cooler?

I like the character Mr. Universe, but the first mention of him is surely stupid as can be. "Let's call Mr. Universe!" If only the name was different, or the line was delivered in a yes, this is silly way, the way that Joss often made fun of thin plot points on Buffy and Angel. It's just not possible to take that seriously.

Low battery in HoG?

That whole bit of Mal chasing whatshisbutt down is just bad.

End of War Stories balcony exchange? Lacking, but not straight up dumb imho. Seems more like the dialogue or the timing or something could be adjusted and it'd work.

Now, Zoe doing her somersault and standing there in the line of fire for three hours while she draws her gun is dumb dumb dumb! I cringe every time.

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WASHNWEAR

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 6:34 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by daveshayne:
That was just a wonderful way of showing how Mal differs from the usual Western Hero stereotype. Plus it was funny.

That was one of the greatest moments in the series IMO.

Chrisisall

Well shoot, DS and CIA, maybe I just need to lighten up...which has been suggested before in other connections. It's just always struck me as a contrivedly goofy moment at the end of what was decidedly not (to me) a goofy episode. I was (and still am) in late adolescence before I forgave the old Batman TV series for it's campy-but-clever treatment of the Caped Crusader...

These fictional worlds and characters are SERIOUS STUFF, dammit (grr...snort...#%!*$)

It was damaging my willing suspension of disbelief when we got here!

CHARLIEBZ

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
What was supposed to happen when Tracy delivered his fancy organs? Would his own be waiting in a cooler?

Thank you! This part never made any sense to me. They scooped out his insides? Won't he need those sometime? Where are they?

The low battery on the laser gun doesn't bother me. I view that as illustrating the problems of relying too much on technology. You just can't beat good old fashioned bullet-spewing guns. Or, maybe a slight dig at Star Trek?

What did bother me in HoG is when Mal knocked Burgess off the speeder thingy. Wasn't there a baby in there?

LEOPARDFLAN

Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:38 PM

No, the whore had her baby with her (I think)

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DAVESHAYNE

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Did you notice that Mal did the same with Simon in Bushwhacked? Told him to go get his sister without explaining that he'd be hiding them, not handing them over.

Yes, though, of course, he explained the plan to Simon during the commercial break so it's more a case of hiding the plan from the audience. I didn't see it as a test particularly.

David

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

I has myspace - http://www.myspace.com/daveshayneforpresident

DANCINGOTTER

Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by mal4prez:

I'm not disagreeing though - the whole plot for The Message was swiss cheese. What was supposed to happen when Tracy delivered his fancy organs? Would his own be waiting in a cooler?

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Thank you! That bugged me too! Why would you steal from and run away from the people who have your innards? What was he going to do when he got to the black market dealers?

~Otter

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