Dumbest thing in FF/Serenity...

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Monday, June 2, 2008 18:08
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CHRISISALL

Friday, May 16, 2008 1:18 AM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:

Your explanations are terrific!

I second that! This BigRichard is my kind of scum; fearless and inventive

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Chrisisall

DANCINGOTTER

Friday, May 16, 2008 1:21 AM

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Originally posted by spinebite:
The only thing that ever really bothered me was that Stitch had a loaded shotgun, and yet he didn't shoot the people who kept him in tiny box for years on end(Magistrate Higgins and the Foreman).

"Pain is scary."

The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

~Otter

SPINEBITE

Friday, May 16, 2008 1:23 AM

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DancingOtter:The problem that I had with the scene is that after years in a small box, Stitch was able to stand, walk and within a couple of hours, go toe to toe with a man who works out regularly. His muscles should have been so atrophied that every movement should have been horrifically painful.

Indeed.

"Pain is scary."

DANCINGOTTER

Friday, May 16, 2008 1:27 AM

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Originally posted by Knightreyeder:

The real thing that bugs me doesn't really make Firefly flawed, it's an inconsistency with Serenity. Unless I understand it wrong, Simon paid people to smuggle Summer out of where she was held (in cryo, remember?) and sent her to him. In Serenity he did it himself. That has always bugged me.

While we're on about things that are annoying. I love Firefly but the BDH thing, how Mal is supposed to have this big serious warrior rep (i.e. I start fighting a war, I guarantee you'll see something new) amongst other occurances, and yet he's this corny boyish hotdog in Zoe's battle recollections in The Message. Doesn't go with the rep very well and just made for a dorky humor moment. I'd have much preferred Mal's rep was supported with stuff like how bad he was in battle like when he manned the twin 50's in the pilot, or how 'maybe' he killed a whole squad hand to hand or something similar.

I had a problem with the change in story with River's breakout and it broke the wall for me briefly.

As for Mal's behavior in the recollection in the Message, I assumed it was fairly early in the war, before he became so hard. I also didn't think it was too terribly inconsistent with his behavior in the beginning of the pilot episode.

~Otter

BIGRICHARD

Saturday, May 17, 2008 10:13 AM

Well glad my comments were appreciated.

"While we're on about things that are annoying. I love Firefly but the BDH thing, how Mal is supposed to have this big serious warrior rep (i.e. I start fighting a war, I guarantee you'll see something new) amongst other occurances, and yet he's this corny boyish hotdog in Zoe's battle recollections in The Message. Doesn't go with the rep very well and just made for a dorky humor moment. I'd have much preferred Mal's rep was supported with stuff like how bad he was in battle like when he manned the twin 50's in the pilot, or how 'maybe' he killed a whole squad hand to hand or something similar. "

I think that Mal's character was a hard leader in the war, he was a hero, but I think the fact that he was quite boyish doesn't change this. The fact that he keeps making little jokes, in my opinion, is his way of being brave. These little jokes make others believe that he's not at all worried, and it's not as bad as they're thinking. Mal keeps the morale in his troops up this way....not to mention that, like DancingOtter said, it could be different points in the war, The Message flashbacks possibly being set near the start of the war, thus making Mal less 'hardened'. Perhaps in the beginning, the war was more of a game to Mal, and he just wanted to see some action, and then by the end of the war, he realised what he was fighting for.
Plus I'm sick of those "he killed a whole squad with nothing but his hands" things, as it's just so unlikely, and doesn't go well with Joss' vision of following 'ordinary people' in his 'verse. Mal isn't supposed to be particularly special, he isn't supposed to be some super hardened ex-soldier with nothing but a grudge and a gun, taking down everyone who stands in his way. This isn't The Punisher in space.

and now i'm just rambling again, so i'll shhhh...

"Never f$@% with a browncoat dude...." - Kevin Smith

KNIGHTREYEDER

Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:05 PM

I will accept your take on Mal's character and understand it was the intent of the writing. I guess my previous comments were, well, just my comments.

How about this one then? In Bushwhacked, why did the kid turn into a Reaver? Do they carry around concentrated portable cans of the PAX to give to someone so they have a mate left on board when they come back or in case they missed someone in hiding? Pretty sure the animals don't even know why they're Reavers. I'm not buying that the only way to deal with a thing is to become it. We know what makes the Reavers and it ain't purely psychological.

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LEOPARDFLAN

Saturday, May 17, 2008 4:46 PM

My question is, if Reavers are such raging animals, how the heck are they able to fly space ships? And how would they be noticing "That dude's a fellow Reaver, he don't get ate", if they're crazy?

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DASHILE

Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:16 PM

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Originally posted by Knightreyeder:

In Bushwhacked, why did the kid turn into a Reaver? Do they carry around concentrated portable cans of the PAX to give to someone so they have a mate left on board when they come back or in case they missed someone in hiding?

I don't think they meant he literally became a Reaver. He saw the horror that was done by the Reavers, and the only way to survive was to mimic, to "become it" as far as he could: cutting flesh, tongue, violence, and so on. He did not become a true Reaver, he just made himself as close to one as he could, in appearance and action.

COSMICFUGITIVE

Saturday, May 17, 2008 5:24 PM

The flashing 'low battery' sign on Rance Burgess' laser gun, from 'Heart Of Gold', was quite tacky.

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KNIGHTREYEDER

Sunday, May 18, 2008 8:50 AM

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Originally posted by CosmicFugitive:
The flashing 'low battery' sign on Rance Burgess' laser gun, from 'Heart Of Gold', was quite tacky.

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You have a point and with all those upgrades to that weapon how did he manage to miss Mal on a horse?

Not that I wanted our BDH hit mind you.....

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Mal's expression in the scrapyard when he first see's Serenity says it all.

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