What If No Iraq Invasion ?
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Monday, September 18, 2023 03:55
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
'Bbout 4500 members of the US Military would still be alive, and about 25,000 unwounded and not needing medical care.
Lots of military equipment wouldn't be worn out with 5 years of deployment in the desert.
Retention and recruitment would be a lot simpler.
The budget would be closer to balanced.
Gas might cost $ 4.00 a gallon.
You ARE aware that the military does suffer losses every year, even when there's no conflict ongoing?
Using the actual figures from the Congressional Research Service report ....., the total military deaths ( from 1980 )
For the record, here are the accurate totals for the past 26 years, including those omitted from the message above:
U.S. Active Duty Military Deaths 1980-2006
1980 .... 2,392
1981 .... 2,380
1982 .... 2,319
1983 .... 2,465
1984 .... 1,999
1985 .... 2,252
1986 .... 1,984
1987 .... 1,983
1988 .... 1,819
1989 .... 1,636
1990 .... 1,507
1991 .... 1,787
1992 .... 1,293
1993 .... 1,213
1994 .... 1,075
1995 .... 1,040
1996 ....... 974
1997 ....... 817
1998 ....... 827
1999 ....... 796
2000 ....... 758
2001 ....... 891
2002 ....... 999
2003 .... 1,228
2004 .... 1,874
2005 .... 1,942
2006 .... 1,858
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_military_deaths.htm
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
10 years us a " zealous rush " to war ?
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Yes....it was a rush to war! I saw it myself, with my very own eyes. Bush and his circle had boxed themselves in. They placed US troops in the desert with no where to go. He placed them there to put pressure on Iraq to allow UN inspector to find the "weapons". We waited...Then one night Bush got a report from the field that the Husseins were located and could be wiped out ( presumeably from the same "intelligence" gatherers who reported WMD's). They chose to launch "shock & awe" that night. They bombed the bajesus out of Baghdad, but missed them all. Oh well ...now let's roll in the tanks I guess! The events were strategically timed to maximize the future blunder potential. A rush to invade, no plan for occupation, no plan for Baathists, no plan for police or military, no awareness of the Shiite and Sunni situation...but hey we got a great shot for the 6 o'clock news of that statue comin' down!
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Jongstraw - it was even more deliberate than that. It was on a Saturday (when the news agencies wouldn't pick it up) that Bush told Hussein he, his family, and top government leaders would have to exile themselves from Iraq within 24 hours as the ONLY way to avoid war.
What that has to to with WMD and UN resolutions as a legal rationale for war is still rather hazy to me.
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No Iraq Invasion five years ago? Today the World would be asking why the US didn't "Do Something" about Saddam, just like they ask why the US doesn't "Do Something" about Sudan and Burma.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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I think if the US hadn't put itself up as the sole freer-from-oppresive-tyrants in the world then, no one would be asking the question now. As it is, with Hussein as the 'reason' to invade Iraq people can very legitimately ask the question. Why doesn't the US invade Sudan ?
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Originally posted by Geezer:
No Iraq Invasion five years ago? Today the World would be asking why the US didn't "Do Something" about Saddam, just like they ask why the US doesn't "Do Something" about Sudan and Burma.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
That's a very sobering remark. The US should learn some day to just ride things out, or even stay out. I know I never voted to make us the galliant defender of all oppressed humanity. Especially when it's not wanted or appreciated, and when it fractures and bankrupts our country.
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Three words: Operation Venezuelan Freedom.
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OR...Bush is forced to back down by Democrats in Congress and French/Russian/German political pressure. France and Russia run the table on us fracturing NATO. Russia dominates its neighbors and France/Germany dominate the EU. Bush loses to Kerry in 2004. Kerry foriegn policy weakness leads to 2005 Russian invasion of Georgia. Energy crisis as Russia turns off the gas pipelines to Europe. China invades Taiwan. Japan begins military buildup. Venezuala supports insurgencies throughout the Americas including increasingly agitated immigrants in the US. Energy crisis causes economic collapse of first Europe, then America, then South America, India, and Japan. Turmoil spreads rise of violence. Terrorists spark war between Pakistan and India...nuclear war follows. Tel Aviv destroyed in nuclear blast traced to Iran. Isreal falls to Arab (Iraq, Syrian, Jordan, and various terrorist groups) assault resulting in massacre of nearly all the Jews (but not before)...Isreali nukes destroy all Arab capitals (including moderate, neutral states). Turmoil sweeps the globe. Food riots in the US. Energy riots in the US. Immigration riots in the US. Race riots in the former US. Interstate fighting in the former US. Nuclear conflict between Russia and China. Russia and former EU. Russia and former US. China and Japan. North and South Korea. Madagascar and the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (who knew they had it in them...), and we all die unhappily never after.
And that's where the zombies come in and eat us all, ya?
Face it; won't ever be that we can unmake this invasion, or, even better, this entire administration. No sense in worry about it.
-Danny
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Rap,
have to say your right. Military personnel die even when there's no war on. A lot of things the military does is inherently dangerous and accidents are going to happen.
Got any figures on the number of amputees and post traumatic stress patients during that same time span?
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Originally posted by rue:
I think if the US hadn't put itself up as the sole freer-from-oppresive-tyrants in the world then, no one would be asking the question now. "
So when should we have gone back into our shell? After WWII? If so, then large portions of the world would enjoy the same standard of living and freedoms as North Korea or Cuba.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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