Why George Bush is a great man & a very good President
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 13, 2008 02:56
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Quote:According to you. I don’t know whether he did or not, but I assume he did.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
The operative word in that statement being "could". He COULD do that; he simply chose not to.
Quote:It’s been disputed and proven wrong on numerous occasions. At this point, only the true conspiracy nuts believe this.
Originally posted by Kwicko:
Ahhhh - once again, all those news sources are simply making that up. Time, Newsweek, CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Pentagon, the White House...
This has been reported on more than a few times. No Administration source has denied it, that I've ever seen. It's been reported as fact, and never disputed or disproved. So you're saying that there was no flight allowed out of the US in the days immediately following 9/11?
Quote:You can’t even bring yourself to give the president the benefit of the doubt when all you have to go on is tv sensationalism - do you expect me to believe you wouldn’t be sitting here right now accusing the US of imperialism for retaliating against Afghanistan without justification?
Originally posted by Kwicko:
I'm not sure I would have "levelled" Kabul, but certainly there would have been immediate retaliation. And there was no need to "justify" that retaliation to anyone - the world was actually on our side at that point, and fully expected us to retaliate, and the Taliban, if not directly responsible, were known to be giving safe haven and safe passage to Bin Laden and crew.
Excuse me while I wipe the tears from my eyes ...
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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You can’t even bring yourself to give the president the benefit of the doubt when all you have to go on is tv sensationalism - do you expect me to believe you wouldn’t be sitting here right now accusing the US of imperialism for retaliating against Afghanistan without justification?
So is this your latest talking point from Party Central, or what? Anytime someone brings up a point, just accuse them of being "part of the tv generation" - somehow implying that you're NOT of the TV generation - all the while conveniently forgetting that YOU'RE POSTING ON A BOARD ABOUT A FUCKING TV SHOW, YOU STUPID FUCK!!
Am I of the TV generation? Yes, certainly. So are you. So is everybody in the US who is under the age of 60. I know you think you're so above it all, and would never stoop to having your views influenced by things you've seen on TV, right? Or should I say, "Wright?" Remember him? Jeremiah Wright? A pastor who's preached over 275,000 minutes over the past 35 years, but whose entire existence and outlood have been painted as "un-American" because of 20 seconds worth of soundbites on... (wait for it)... TEE-VEE!!!
As for what I would or wouldn't be doing had the President acted a bit more like a leader... we'll never know, because he never did. The only time he's ever been a leader was when he was a cheerleader in prep school. A male cheerleader is your idol and hero, the man you fantasize about in the Wonder Woman outfit. Jesus Herbert bald-headed fucking Christ on a biscuit...
You and your addle-pated kind seem to believe that all wars are inherently good, and that we're always on the good side of the good war. Others here seem to hold that all wars are bad and unnecessary, and that we're always on the wrong side in those wars. I hold a more realistic view: all wars ARE bad (or, "War is Hell", as the man said), but SOME wars are justified and even necessary. Unlike you, I can see the difference between "a just war" and "just a war". Afghanistan was a just war, at least in the beginning (before BushCo took its eye off the ball and got its collective head mindfucked by Iraq). As such, I wouldn't have *liked* the idea of carpet-bombing the Taliban back into the Stone Age (or *forward* into the Stone Age, as may be more accurate), but I could have at least understood the rationale behind such thinking. And it would have sent a MUCH clearer message to those who would do us harm: Fuck with us, and this is the result. Death to you and yours, and those that harbor them.
Bush under-reacted when it came to Bin Laden and Afghanistan, and he over-reacted when it came to Saddam. Only one of them attacked us, and vowed to continue doing so. You see the difference there, Punky Brewster?
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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TP, the Super Mosque is a huge problem, that gets built it will be a shrine for the muslims to lay claim to Ole England. Its time to export them while you can. Like in NYC its some time of land deal through the city goverment that's a scam. In the my country Detroit is the city that is lost. The politicians are not patriots whoever keeps the slime in power is who they cater too. Im just saying they tear down symbols of other faiths and put theirs up to stake their claim. I don't think America should bail out England a third time. But if you need a room I got a trailor out back.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s certainly the movie image of a president that sticks in most people’s minds, but the reality is that things were very confused in those first few minutes. Leaders were scattered. There was serious communications problems at every end. And as much as we perhaps don’t like to believe it, there was very little the president, or any of the leaders, could have done at that point.
Maybe there was nothing he could have done. Guess we'll never know, since he didn't even try.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
YOU'RE POSTING ON A BOARD ABOUT A FUCKING TV SHOW, YOU STUPID FUCK!!
You didn't write that quote to me, so I may be over-stepping my bounds here...but...jeeeez, what's with the personal attack against Finn? I've only been very hard on Bush lately because I was a strong defender of him for many years and I owe this to the world. I suppose I was a "stupid fuck" too during those years. I don't post here too much anymore because of personal attacks like you wrote...what does it accomplish? Is your cursing supposed to win an argument for you? People here have called me the same and worse. As much as I can choose to ignore it, honestly it always bothers me a bit. If we all have nothing in common, at least we have our love of Firefly in common. No one should curse out anybody here...there's enough real villians and idiots out there that we don't have to sink to that here. Thanks!
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Hmmmm... Let's see... I've been called, by Finn, by "Hero" (talk about a misnomer), by AwwCrapper, and others on this board, all of the following:
Un-American
Traitor
Commie
Stupid
Asinine
Dumb
Coward
Unpatriotic
America-hater
Terrorist
Terrorist-lover
Muslim
... and your problem is... what, again?
I'm merely pointing out to Finn that speaking down to people as if they're stupid (and he IS speaking down to all of us, make no mistake) because they watch TV - ON A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO A TEE-VEE SHOW - is a pretty fucking stupid thing to do. Especially coming from someone who considers himself so "above it all", and who could NEEEEEVVVVVVEERRRRR be fooled by anything the news said, or Bill Orally said, or Rush Limbaugh, or William Kristol, or Karl Rove, or Donald Rumsfeld, or Dick Cheney, or George Bush.
No, WE'RE the ones who are being fooled, not he...
80 percent of Americans now think the country is on the wrong path, and nearly that many think Bush is doing a poor job - yet Finn et al would have you believe that that's only because they've been deluded by the vast left-wing media conspiracy. But of course, that same left-wing media has utterly ignored Reverend Hagee's remarks (time and again he's said it) that New Orleans got what it deserved in Katrina, and Pat Robertson's and Jerry Falwell's remarks that America got what it deserved on September 11. Yup, sounds like a huge leftist bias to me; they couldn't pay two seconds worth of attention to either of these stories, because they were too busy focusing on Jeremiah Wright (who, for the record, I consider to be as big an idiot as the other two "men of god" listed above).
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Hmmmm... Let's see... I've been called, by Finn, by "Hero" (talk about a misnomer), by AwwCrapper, and others on this board, all of the following:
Un-American
Traitor
Commie
Stupid
Asinine
Dumb
Coward
Unpatriotic
America-hater
Terrorist
Terrorist-lover
Muslim
... and your problem is... what, again?
I'm merely pointing out to Finn that speaking down to people as if they're stupid (and he IS speaking down to all of us, make no mistake) because they watch TV - ON A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO A TEE-VEE SHOW - is a pretty fucking stupid thing to do. Especially coming from someone who considers himself so "above it all", and who could NEEEEEVVVVVVEERRRRR be fooled by anything the news said, or Bill Orally said, or Rush Limbaugh, or William Kristol, or Karl Rove, or Donald Rumsfeld, or Dick Cheney, or George Bush.
No, WE'RE the ones who are being fooled, not he...
80 percent of Americans now think the country is on the wrong path, and nearly that many think Bush is doing a poor job - yet Finn et al would have you believe that that's only because they've been deluded by the vast left-wing media conspiracy. But of course, that same left-wing media has utterly ignored Reverend Hagee's remarks (time and again he's said it) that New Orleans got what it deserved in Katrina, and Pat Robertson's and Jerry Falwell's remarks that America got what it deserved on September 11. Yup, sounds like a huge leftist bias to me; they couldn't pay two seconds worth of attention to either of these stories, because they were too busy focusing on Jeremiah Wright (who, for the record, I consider to be as big an idiot as the other two "men of god" listed above).
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
Can't and won't disagree with anything you wrote in defense of your language against others who've done the same to you. I'm no saint, I've lost it a time or two myself. But I say never again....this board should not sink to the sewer like the right and left wing hate websites out there. If someone attacks you instead of your message, then their position is weak and they lose. You win by taking the high ground always. It's a big challenge for us, but it's worth it.
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Can't and won't disagree with anything you wrote in defense of your language against others who've done the same to you. I'm no saint, I've lost it a time or two myself.
Well, thanks for the vote of confidence, as it were... ;)
What I tire of is being attacked, and then when I lash out in kind, being told, "Hey, hey, hey - let's all be nice... we don't need to be mean... we can take the higher ground and turn the other cheek..." And I'm tired of having my love of my country attacked and questioned simply because I don't believe in the agenda and mission statements of the current regime. I'm tired of turning the other cheek, only to have it bloodied and bruised, again and again. If anyone wants to attack my patriotism or my faith in the United States Constitution, then I absolutely reserve the right to question their intelligence, and I'll use their own mangled words to support my position.
Turning the other cheek is what cost Al Gore and John Kerry the last two elections - and might have cost John McCain the 2000 nomination. When they were being hammered with charges that were utter and complete bullshit, they simply shrugged, chuckled, and said, "Oh, ha-ha... the American people are smarter than that..."
Here's a little note to the two parties:
Attention Democrats: Americans aren't quite as smart as you think they are.
Attention Republicans: Americans aren't quite as dumb as YOU think they are.
Democrats seem to think Americans won't fall for baseless shenanigans, but they do, time and again; Republicans, on the other hand, seem to think we'll fall for ANYTHING, just as long as it's wrapped in a flag and given a catchy, jingoistic name.
If there's one thing I learned from Kerry's campaign, it's that you don't let a news cycle go by without refuting these bullshit charges and rumors, in the strongest possible terms. What I'd have *liked* to have seen would be Kerry standing up in front of the Swift-Boat ad, saying, "These are lies, and the lying liars that are spreading these lies are lying their lying asses off."
But he decided to take the moral high ground and "win" that argument...
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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so, maybe we could use somebody like the Batman....
is Bob Kane still alive..?
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Kwicko,
Methinks you need to ressurect your previous sig.
Sweeping generalizations are always wrong.
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