Why George Bush is a great man & a very good President
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, June 13, 2008 02:56
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:You’re welcome. It’s always a pleasure to prove someone wrong, and have them thank me for it.
Originally posted by Storymark:
Wow, you managed to evade the qestion and prove my point in one feel swoop. Nice. Thanks.
You really need to workin on sharpening those reading skills, boyo.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:No, that's an Ad Hominem and a Red Herring.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
By the way,
Storymark secretly loves Bush and all he stands for but decided to follow the majority of Bush haters on this forum because of a lemming like personality derived from his shockingly low self esteem.
Now that's a strawman argument.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:So you hate Bush because you imagine that on 9/ll some Bush signal lit up the sky and Bush didn’t tear off his suit to reveal the red, white and blue tights of Bushman, and then jump out the window and fly to single handedly rescue the world.
Originally posted by Storymark:Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:You’re welcome. It’s always a pleasure to prove someone wrong, and have them thank me for it.
Originally posted by Storymark:
Wow, you managed to evade the qestion and prove my point in one feel swoop. Nice. Thanks.
You really need to workin on sharpening those reading skills, boyo.
I think BDN is right. You secretly love Bush. You’re just angry like a little kid who just discovered Santa Clause is fake because reality encroached on your fantasy world.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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American Presidents generally get judged by how they handled the economy, how they handled any foreign policy crises and how united the nation was as a result of their presidency.
So by any conceivable measure, Bush is going down as one of the worst Presidents in history with a footnote that the electorate in 2004 were one of the most gullible and short-sighted in history.
However, as the question was asking why Bush might be considered a great man, let's look at his good points:
He is very personable and people do say he is charming.
He has set aside large funds for many projects that had been neglected, including billions for the needy in Africa.
He successfully led a coalition of dozens of nations against the oppressive regime of Afghanistan.
He formed bonds with some countries that hitherto had kept the US at arms length, including Pakistan.
He had no major personal scandals during his time as President.
Any others?
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OK, here's the thing with W's 9/11 lack of reaction.
At that moment, no one knew that the event was limited to 4 hijacked planes. I clearly remember the people I was with, and the stuff on TV, the wild speculation as hijacked planes everywhere and possible attacks - like ground attacks. In fact, the first thing I heard was a guy yelling: We're at war! as if the WTC was merely the first hit and troop transports and bomber planes were now on their way in ala Red Dawn. Which is a little much, but you get my point.
In this situation, where shit is going down, I want the leader of my country to be a person of action who starts moving, starts gathering info, and does his damnedest to see what can be done. Even if it's found that there's nothing he can do, he can at very least be a LEADER and serve as an example of calm, rational action to a couple million very frightened people who are looking to him as the man they elected. (Oh wait - they didn't...)
What W did that morning showed what he is. He is not a leader. He is not decisive. As soon as the words "the second tower's been hit" were uttered, he should have been on the move. Clearly he lacks the intelligence and independence of thought to make that judgement call. When I say mashed potatoes from the eyebrows on back, this is what I mean.
W has been told what to do by daddy, and told what to do by Cheney, and that morning he sat on his ass until he was told what to do by his handlers. Leader of the free world my ass. This chump's a puppet, and Jan 20 2009 can't come fast enough.
Morning rant over.
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Quote:Many of the people who work for him say that when faced with a Cabinet-level decision he freezes. His eyes glaze over, he gives you the 1000-yard stare when you make your pitch, and "he" doesn't decide until after he's had a private consult with Cheney. (That was back in the day when Cabinet members were something other than total yes-men and tried to bring real news to the table.)
He is very personable and people do say he is charming.
In addition, I've heard that he gets very very angry over little things- like not having his coffee brought to him on time- and that he's got a tyrannical streak. The charm is reserved for fund-raisers.
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Quote:Another proponent of the Batman philosophy of presidential conduct. What should he have done? Run out to the ruins of the WTC and exclaim to Cheney, “Those dastardly villains!!!”
Originally posted by mal4prez:
What W did that morning showed what he is. He is not a leader. He is not decisive. As soon as the words "the second tower's been hit" were uttered, he should have been on the move. Clearly he lacks the intelligence and independence of thought to make that judgement call. When I say mashed potatoes from the eyebrows on back, this is what I mean.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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So you hate Bush because you imagine that on 9/ll some Bush signal lit up the sky and Bush didn’t tear off his suit to reveal the red, white and blue tights of Bushman, and then jump out the window and fly to single handedly rescue the world.
I think the problem is, you actually think he DID do this...
My problem with what Shrub did and didn't do on 9/11 is that he looked like the deer in the headlights; he had no clue what was going on, no real desire to find out, and absolutely no will or balls to do anything about it. He decided he'd hide behind the kids like Martin Sheen in "The Dead Zone" (the movie, not that crappy TV show) and keep his head buried in his book.
Silly, silly me... I expect my leaders, in a time of national crisis, to actually LEAD, not to sit around with their thumbs up their asses waiting for someone else to tell them what to say, do, or think. And, given that he didn't have the full story, shouldn't he have at least been in the car, on the way to the airport, ON THE PHONE AND IN TOUCH WITH PEOPLE WHO JUST MIGHT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON?!
I'm sure you think it's just hunky-dory that he stayed on vacation all through the Katrinal disaster, too. It's not that he personally could have really done anything about it, but he could have been SEEN to be doing something. Anything. One thing you haven't learned about politics: It's all about perception. If you're perceived as an idiot and a do-nothing, it hardly matters whether it's true or not. Just ask John Kerry, whom your party has portrayed as a traitor, a coward, a snob, and a fake. So your problem is that we're calling out Bush on being a do-nothing dolt, when in fact that's what he is, and always has been.
Mike
"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions
I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock
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The question is, would you REALLY want him to dash in and just do what his GUT told him to do?
Really?
This guy has problems eating pretsles and you want him to improvise?
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In response to Finn...
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My problem with what Shrub did and didn't do on 9/11 is that he looked like the deer in the headlights; he had no clue what was going on, no real desire to find out, and absolutely no will or balls to do anything about it.
Silly, silly me... I expect my leaders, in a time of national crisis, to actually LEAD, not to sit around with their thumbs up their asses waiting for someone else to tell them what to say, do, or think.
What he said.
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