Polygamist Pedophiles and Papal Pontifications
POSTED BY: deadlockvictim
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 01:32
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i dont know mormon theology too well, but in the bible, in correct protestant tradition, one cannot be a priest if he has more then one 'wife'. throughout the bible, the reason adultery is condemned is because God created woman to complete man, so that they may become "one in the flesh". this was in Genesis, there is no other version of this outside of judiac history. thats kind of relevant. i am not a mormon(or muslim), but the doctrines concerning multiple wives, and endless celestial sexual partners is not consistent what-so-ever with the bible. those are different belief systems altogether
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Moses was loved by God and had two wives, Zipporah and an ethiopian woman. David I believe had even more and that's before we start talking concubines.
http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/polygamists
There are biblical references here if you like.
I don't think it fair to have more than one wife because it means there is some part of you that you hold back from each.
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thats true, but Moses wasnt sinless, and he eventually was told by God that he wouldnt enter 'the promised land'(Canaan). its been awhile, but i believe God dealt with David as well over this. notably, even the prophets were imperfect
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Quote:Actually the more interesting question is whose post are you responding to? Because it’s not mine - unless you just don’t know what you’re talking about.
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:If the medical field helps cover things up we go after those in the medical field that do so. If a pedophile is found working in a school we go after those that hired and failed to monitor them as well. I wonder why you hold the catholic church to different standards?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I have no problem suing church leaders for covering up criminal actions or even charging them with a crime. But we don’t sue the entire medical field or the entire legal field for the malpractice of a single doctor or lawyer or even a handful of doctors and lawyers. So why is it that you want to talk in terms of the “Catholic Church” or the “Church.” Isn’t it possible that you’re painting with too broad of a brush. Do you really think every Catholic or even every Catholic minister covered it up?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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Quote:Actually the more interesting question is why you're lying about what you said and trying to pass that off on me.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually the more interesting question is whose post are you responding to? Because it’s not mine - unless you just don’t know what you’re talking about.
Everything you've tried to slur Frem with so far, whether he does it or not, it's certainly stuff you do.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:You accuse of me of lying about what I said, but the very first line of MY post, as quoted from YOUR post is:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Actually the more interesting question is why you're lying about what you said and trying to pass that off on me.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Actually the more interesting question is whose post are you responding to? Because it’s not mine - unless you just don’t know what you’re talking about.
Everything you've tried to slur Frem with so far, whether he does it or not, it's certainly stuff you do.
“I have no problem suing church leaders for covering up criminal actions or even charging them with a crime.”
You just accused me of saying the opposite of what I actually said from the post YOU quoted? Is English your first language?
So it turns out that I’m not lying at all. You either can’t read, didn’t read or you’re lying. I’ll let you decide which it is, I don’t really care.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Solomon had 700 wives, supposedly. The Old Testament has many laws dealing with the management of multiple wives. In a time when justice tended to be swift and brutal and women were second class citizens, this should attest to the complexity of polygamy as a legal issue. As far as religion/society goes, it was acceptable in Judaism for a long time, largely because it had been practiced as a tradition for centuries before Israel was even a nation. And this was the case in many older cultures, but eventually it fell out of favor with societies, when states tried to manage it on a legal level, and I think it just became too complicated. Today, where divorces can cause enormous legal problems and financial hardships, polygamy practiced as a mainstream institute would grind this nation to a halt.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Sure, you throw a bone when caught out to try and gain some of your lost credibility, but you've basically been saying throughout the thread that the only people who can be held responsible for anything is the immediate culprit. When other people have suggested that those that enabled and covered up their actions should be held accountable you've attempted to shout them down, usually pretty childishly. Your maturity shows in your first reply to me, for someone who bases nearly everyone of his replies to other people on strawmen and lies about their position, you sure can't take it if you see it coming back.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You accuse of me of lying about what I said, but the very first line of MY post, as quoted from YOUR post is:
But why I'd be surprised that you'd act like a hypocritical authoritarian prick I don't know. I mean, that's how you always act
.More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:This so-called “bone” is the very post you responded. So like I said, whatever post you think you were responding to, it wasn’t mine - it was something in you dreamed up. A lie, if you will.
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Sure, you throw a bone when caught out to try and gain some of your lost credibility, but you've basically been saying throughout the thread that the only people can be held responsible for anything is the priest that did it. I don't hold myself responsible for your tactics and anti-non-catholic agenda.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
You accuse of me of lying about what I said, but the very first line of MY post, as quoted from YOUR post is:
“anti-non-catholic agenda” ??????
Bwahahahahaha
Oh, wait.
Bwahahahahahahahahahah
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
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-- Cicero
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You're still a liar and an authoritarian prick who hates non-catholics
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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