Is Science Fiction inherently anti-establishment?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Saturday, April 19, 2008 17:10
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Quote:I think its more technophobia built on top of the M.A.D. principle. Skynet is a convenient vehicle for the technophobia, the Government is about the only entity that could really put it in too being. Though a great deal of the Sarah Connor Chronicles is suggestive that an individual created at least the basis for skynet (the turk)...
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Well, the 'Establishment' in the movies embraced the creation of Skynet- isn't that a slam on the computer-dependent culture we have?
Computers are evil Chrisisall
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Quote:I would say it's pro-prostitution. It's kind of hard to avoid the fact that Inara is a effectively a high-class hooker.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:No, I take it as anti-regulation...
Originally posted by citizen:
But is Joss Whedon's portrayal of Inara pro-prostitution?
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Quote:The movie always caught me as more of a parody of fascism, actually. And yes, if you knew nothing about Nazism, I think a certain amount of that would come off.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
That’s probably true. But even in the movie, you really have to look for the dystopic side. It's more of a feeling then a direct issue. If you didn't know anything about Nazism or Nazi propaganda, would you really find something dystopic about the settings? Maybe it falls more into the Armageddon camp, where it's not clear which side of the establishment coin it falls on.
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Quote:There was something unsettling about the way when the Sarge got a bullet in his eye, it was more of a fuss about the accident itself, than the death of a good man...or maybe that's just how I saw it. It spoke to me about a culture where we weren't all that much better than bugs ourselves- the 'hive' was more important than the individual.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
If you didn't know anything about Nazism or Nazi propaganda, would you really find something dystopic about the settings?
Dystopic Chrisisall
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Quote:Prostitution is like boxing; ya got yer big-money championships, & yer back alley bare-knuckle bouts.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It's kind of hard to avoid the fact that Inara is a effectively a high-class hooker.
Chrisisall
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I'm not sure how a show can be considered pro something merely because it portrays it.
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Quote:If anything, I think Joss intended to portray whores & Companions as people, not just playthings, although Jayne would probably go with the playthings more...
Originally posted by citizen:
I'm not sure how a show can be considered pro something merely because it portrays it.
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Quote:I think your anti-regulation theme was more on target with the pro-prostitution thing.
Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:If anything, I think Joss intended to portray whores & Companions as people, not just playthings, although Jayne would probably go with the playthings more...
Originally posted by citizen:
I'm not sure how a show can be considered pro something merely because it portrays it.
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Transformers - Totally Establishment !
Independence Day - Certainly !
Armageddon - yup!
The Island - Anti
iRobot - Anti
THX1138 - Anti
Silent Running - Anti
Stargate - Yes
Starship Troopers - Anti
Minority Report - Anti
Total Recall - Anti
The Matrix - who the hell knows?!
Supernatural - Anti
Residnet Evil - Anti
Heroes - Depends where the end up with it.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:
If anything, I think Joss intended to portray whores & Companions as people, not just playthings, although Jayne would probably go with the playthings more...
Thing with Firefly is that all the characters have their conflicting counterparts. Inara is the counterpoint to Mal and vice versa. Likewise Jayne and Book. Wash and Zoe etc... I don't read it as being so clear cut as pro or against. It's set up to cloud the issue, to cause the viewer to at least consider both arguments. To sympathize with either character depending on the circumstance. To 'un' generalize and to regard people as individual irrespective of their occupation.
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