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Quote:It’s irrelevant for one thing, and it has nothing to do with stereotypes. The fact of the matter is, however much you want to dance around it, you’re more likely to encounter a threat from a young man in a rough neighborhood then you are an old woman in a safe neighborhood.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Don't forget that statistically the person most likely to be dangerous is someone of your own family not a stranger on the street. Familiarity does not equal safety. That by itself should break down stereotypes, although I know it won't.
Quote:I suppose he does what any honest officer does - either confronts the other person or reports them, if the actions of the other officer warrant attention.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So let's get back to the part where I asked about the honest cop who knows someone on the force who is a bully, or worse. What does that honest officer do?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:And if bullying/ corrupt cops are NOT reported, what does that make the "honest" cop? An accomplice?
I suppose he does what any honest officer does - either confronts the other person or reports them, if the actions of the other officer warrant attention.
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Quote:Signym, there is no reason to play your little condescending question game. We are all aware that you assume all cops are bullies. You have made that point clear before. But I don't except it. It is an unfair generalization.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:And if bullying/ corrupt cops are NOT reported, what does that make the "honest" cop? An accomplice?
I suppose he does what any honest officer does - either confronts the other person or reports them, if the actions of the other officer warrant attention.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quit dodgin the question Finn.
How culpable do you consider the officer who is aware of his comrades misdeeds but either refuses to act, or actively covers for them ?
It's a real question, and worth an honest answer.
Because it is at the very root of the problem we are discussing.
-F
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On a lighter note, and especially for Chrisisall...
A very useful doormat to avoid the endless shakedown hassles.
http://www.amazon.com/High-Cotton-Come-Warrant-Doormat/dp/B00020O572
-F
*Oh, how interesting!
I did not know Amazon was carrying Larry's book!
if you ever sat through a horror movie cussing the stupid mistakes of the characters, you definately wanna read MHI.
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-Hunter-International-Larry-Correia/dp/07
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I, err.. kinda know the guy, if THAT tells you anything, heh heh heh...
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Quote:It’s not a real question. Signym’s first question starts off asking what an “honest officer” does. Signym second question then defines an “honest officer” as an accomplice to corruption and bullying. Those aren't honest questions - that’s manipulation.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Quit dodgin the question Finn.
Quote:That depends on how much he knows and the nature of misdeeds.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
How culpable do you consider the officer who is aware of his comrades misdeeds but either refuses to act, or actively covers for them ?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I assume no such thing. Whether "all cops are bullies" would then depend on how many unreported corrupt cops actually exist, and the number of "honest" cops that left the abuse unreported. If you add those numbers together and it reaches a substantial percentage of a PD.... well, then you have a serious problem.
Signym, there is no reason to play your little condescending question game. We are all aware that you assume all cops are bullies. You have made that point clear before. But I don't except it. It is an unfair generalization.
Now I personally don't know what percent of police participate in corrupt or abusive practices, and "how many" knew about it but didn't report. I'm sure that there have been a number of thoughtful studies with all kinds of facts and figures. But even a cursory glance thru the internet indicates that although only about 5% of a PD is corrupt or abusive, these corrupt officers are seldom reported, investigated, or punished.
Quote:In other words, a small percent of the PD commits abuse over and over
According to the new report, rogue police officers abuse victims without fear of punishment, and the lack of accountability has tainted the entire department, resulting in a loss of public confidence. Patterns of abuse and disciplinary neglect were worst in low-income minority neighborhoods, said the authors, Craig B. Futterman, H. Melissa Mather and Melanie Miles.
The national average among large police departments for excessive-force complaints is 9.5 per 100 full-time officers. For a department of Chicago’s size (13,500, second only to New York), that would correspond to 1,283 complaints a year. From 1999 to 2004, however, citizens filed about 1,774 brutality complaints a year against Chicago officers. Less than 5 percent of the department was responsible for nearly half of abuse complaints, from 2001 to 2006.
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Although a great majority of the department is not abusive, the report said, “This does not mean that it bears no responsibility,” adding, “The police code of silence contributes to the machinery of denial.”
www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/us/15chicago.html?ex=1195794000&en=fb78be01
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In its report on the Los Angeles police department in the aftermath of the March 1991 beating of Rodney King, the Christopher Commission confirmed a long held suspicion: a small number of officers are involved in an extraordinarily high percentage of use of force incidents. Ten percent of the officers accounted for 33.2% of all use of force incidents. The Commission was able to identify 44 such officers who were not disciplined despite the fact that they were the subjects of numerous citizen complaints.
So although "all" police aren't bullies, there seems to be a PD culture that tolerates abuse.
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Quote:In fact, according to this study only 5% are. I would say 5% makes sense, since about 5% of people I know are assholes - which further suggest that police officers are people, not assholes.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So although "all" police aren't bullies, there seems to be a PD culture that tolerates abuse.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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OTOH, in an anonymous survey, about 50% of police officers said they WITNESSED acts which could be considered as "excessive use of force", and that's not counting little shit like harassment.
So why aren't those 50% coming forward? When the CHP testified against the LAPD in the Rodney King case it was a big, big deal. You'd think that in an organization that has - literally- the power of life and death there would be proactive institutional measures to weed out those out-of-control, violent officers. And what does that make that roughly 50% who know what's going on but don't stop it? Because very very few officers will actually report or testify against a fellow officer. So what is going on that is inhibiting these guys from doing what an honest human being should do?
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I don’t know, but according to your own references, less then 5% of Chicago police officers are assholes and this is apparently a department that has some problems (according to this reference) where you might expect that number to be larger. Yet, it is still very small.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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