Democrats cancelled my American Airlines flight
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Thanks to the pin head Democrats in Congress, I won't get to see my nephew graduate from his USAF flight training school. I had planned to attend along w/ other family members for several months, but thanks to some a-hole politicians, I missed it.
I get a call from American Airlines around 5pm on Thurs that my 8am flight on Friday, April 11 has been cancelled. They have no flights from Atlanta to Dallas that day. Having booked my travel plans weeks in advance, and with 1000's of passengers scrambling to find alternate plans, any hope of rescheduling was gone. Since the FAA started grounding flights on Tuesday, I had been following the developments in the news rather closely. Surely it wouldn't continue all the way until Friday, right ? WRONG. The FAA continued to ground flights on Wed, then Thurs, and then finally on Friday. What really chapped my ass was how the Dems made this a pissing contest between Congress and the FAA. I heard on the radio that one Dem congressman had said this whole issue could have been done over a period of months, but because of politics, and wanting to APPEAR as if they were doing something, the order was instead given to get the inspections done immediately.
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Grounded: Air travelers wonder what's amiss
Ilana DeBare, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, April 11, 2008
For hundreds of thousands of American Airlines passengers left in the lurch by canceled flights this week, the transportation chaos might seem like an arbitrary act of the air travel gods.
But American Airlines' decision to cancel more than 3,000 flights this week is part of a larger political drama playing out over airline safety and regulation.
Congress has been putting pressure on the Federal Aviation Administration to tighten its safety procedures after several FAA employees testified recently that Southwest Airlines had been allowed to keep 47 planes in the air despite missing inspection deadlines.
In response, the FAA began a new round of airline inspections - which ultimately led to American grounding the planes this week.
The FAA has become "very careful about ensuring absolute compliance," said John Cox, aviation consultant with Safety Operating Systems in Washington, D.C.
What was behind this week's cancellations? What do they mean for travelers and airlines in the future?
Why did this wiring issue come up now?
Last month, several FAA inspectors went public with charges that the agency was looking the other way on possible safety problems at Southwest.
Among other things, the FAA allowed 47 Southwest planes to continue flying even though the airline had missed deadlines to inspect them for possible cracks in their skins.
Congressional Democrats blasted the FAA for developing too cozy a relationship with the airlines. The FAA responded by levying a $10.2 million fine on Southwest and starting an audit of how all airlines were complying with several safety regulations, including some wiring rules that airlines were supposed to meet in 2006.
American canceled more than 400 flights last month to check and fix its wiring. But this week, FAA inspectors discovered that 15 out of 19 American jets they examined were out of compliance with the wiring specifications.
A year ago, American might have been able to persuade the FAA to allow a slight deviation, but not in the wake of the Southwest scandal and congressional scrutiny.
"Nothing in the rules has changed," said Cox. "But the manner in which the rules can be complied with is up for interpretation. And the interpretations have tightened up."
Has the FAA been too lenient toward the airlines in recent years?
That's the allegation made by congressional Democrats. They particularly criticize a policy put in place by the Bush administration under which the airlines don't have to pay a fine if they voluntarily disclose and correct a safety violation.
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stupid democrats... yeah, they probably should have just shut the f**k up - maybe you could have crashed fairly close to your destination....
edit: BTW i have driven from Atlanta to Dallas in a day - so call a cab for crying out loud
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stupid democrats... yeah, they probably should have just shut the f**k up - maybe you could have crashed fairly close to your destination....
edit: BTW i have driven from Atlanta to Dallas in a day - so call a cab for crying out loud
I've done it twice, long drive but doable.
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Funny Rap,
You have pretty consistently stood up for the rights of your government to take whatever measures it likes for the sake of " security ", but now you are critical when they inconvenience you for the sake of public safety ?
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Funny Rap,
You have pretty consistently stood up for the rights of your government to take whatever measures it likes for the sake of " security ", but now you are critical when they inconvenience you for the sake of public safety ?
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
This had nothing to do w/ 'security' or even public safety, as aviation experts will tell you. I had more to do w/ politics, and the money hungry Dems all bent out of shape that the Bush administration hasn't been sticking it to the airlines via fines for every petty little rule and regulation.
For you idiots who think I should " get a cab?? " Get bent ! Dallas wasn't my final destination, it was Wichita Falls, TX. I've been working 10-12 hr days Wed and Thur to free up my schedule just to leave on 8am Fri morning. While still working at 5:30pm ( when I found my flight was cancelled ) , and w/ a couple of hrs left to go, I would still have to come home, shower, change clothes, pack, etc... and then , on the fly, figure out my driving route to N. Texas. Of course I'm doing all this after a full day's work, and if all went well, best I'd be able to do is leave by 10pm ? So, w/ no sleep after a full day's work, I'm suppose to hop in my truck and drive 931 miles ? That's 14+ hrs, as Google sees it. Lets see.... if everything works well, I arrive in WF at around 2pm, w/ out any sleep. As there are events going on all day, I'd have to miss those, grab a couple of hrs sleep, then get showered and in a suit by 5pm , ready to go. Technically doable, yes, but I'm not of college age anymore. Sorry folks, in the real world, that's simply not happening.
You pin heads simply want to play the role of contrarian, mainly because of my political views. You'll say any ridiculous thing to take the opposite position of what ever I say, simply because it's me saying it. Instead of making this personal, just deal w/ the facts and accept that it's the Dems who screwed over a million travelers, and I happened to be one of them.
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I would be mad too. But AA has always been cozy with the feds. Its coming down after 9/11 that they dumped all their maintenance costs on to third party. AA puts off in house because its closed. So they wait till they get cheap maintenance from Earl Schaubs jet express. There you go. Now ya can't fly. The airline industry is a joke. You pay them to hassle you from point a to point b. Its not your dad's airline of the sky TWA but Trailways of the sky. No parking, Homeland security take your clothes off please, hey fun drunks at the bars 9am, and how about that tarmac time. And its just gonna get worse.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Funny Rap,
You have pretty consistently stood up for the rights of your government to take whatever measures it likes for the sake of " security ", but now you are critical when they inconvenience you for the sake of public safety ?
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
This had nothing to do w/ 'security' or even public safety, as aviation experts will tell you. I had more to do w/ politics, and the money hungry Dems all bent out of shape that the Bush administration hasn't been sticking it to the airlines via fines for every petty little rule and regulation.
For you idiots who think I should " get a cab?? " Get bent ! Dallas wasn't my final destination, it was Wichita Falls, TX. I've been working 10-12 hr days Wed and Thur to free up my schedule just to leave on 8am Fri morning. While still working at 5:30pm ( when I found my flight was cancelled ) , and w/ a couple of hrs left to go, I would still have to come home, shower, change clothes, pack, etc... and then , on the fly, figure out my driving route to N. Texas. Of course I'm doing all this after a full day's work, and if all went well, best I'd be able to do is leave by 10pm ? So, w/ no sleep after a full day's work, I'm suppose to hop in my truck and drive 931 miles ? That's 14+ hrs, as Google sees it. Lets see.... if everything works well, I arrive in WF at around 2pm, w/ out any sleep. As there are events going on all day, I'd have to miss those, grab a couple of hrs sleep, then get showered and in a suit by 5pm , ready to go. Technically doable, yes, but I'm not of college age anymore. Sorry folks, in the real world, that's simply not happening.
You pin heads simply want to play the role of contrarian, mainly because of my political views. You'll say any ridiculous thing to take the opposite position of what ever I say, simply because it's me saying it. Instead of making this personal, just deal w/ the facts and accept that it's the Dems who screwed over a million travelers, and I happened to be one of them.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
Hmmmm skipping B,C, and D -checks and operating aircraft without valid CA's has nothing to do with flight safety......
and your Congress shouldn't call the FAA's lack of enforcement or monitoring involving this process.
Talking out of your ass again, sorry. These are not petty little rules
Here is some past examples of what the sliding inspections was helped cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Airlines_Flight_261
" A special inspection conducted by the FAA in April 2000 of Alaska Airlines uncovered widespread significant deficiencies that "the FAA should have uncovered earlier."[6] The investigation concluded that "FAA surveillance of Alaska Airlines had been deficient for at least several years."[6] The NTSB noted that in July 2001, an FAA panel determined that Alaska Airlines had corrected the previously identified deficiencies. However several factors led the Board to question "the depth and effectiveness of Alaska Airlines corrective actions" and "the overall adequacy of Alaska Airlines' maintenance program."[6]
Systematic problems were identified by the investigation in the FAA's oversight of maintenance programs, including inadequate staffing, its approval process of maintenance interval extensions, and the aircraft certification requirements. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aloha_Airlines_Flight_243
" After the accident, a full-scale investigation was launched by the United States National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). It concluded that the accident was caused by metal fatigue exacerbated by crevice corrosion [3] (the plane operated in a s
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thanks to the pin head Democrats in Congress, I won't get to see my nephew graduate from his USAF flight training school.
Never mind, I'm sure you'l see him on the news when he blows away some innocent civies in Iraq / Afghanistan or Frags some allied service personel in a Blue-on-Blue "Accident".
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Sorry Gino, but you're showing your ass again, these ARE petty little rules. It's widely recognized by those who know wtf they're talking about that these are more about compliance issues than safety issues. It's already been stated that had the S.W. incident not occurred, there'd be no immediate rush to ground every damn plain for such a minor issue. And those other incidents have no bearing on what A.A. went through this week. None what so ever.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Thanks to the pin head Democrats in Congress, I won't get to see my nephew graduate from his USAF flight training school.
Never mind, I'm sure you'l see him on the news when he blows away some innocent civies in Iraq / Afghanistan or Frags some allied service personel in a Blue-on-Blue "Accident".
You are such a clueless , worthless little piece of go se, I hope some Islamo nut case mistakes you for another Dutch film maker.
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But some outside observers say that the industry's strong safety record has made it easy for regulators to let minor airline violations slide.
"At first I thought the FAA overreacted," said William Waldock, a professor of safety science at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Arizona. "But in hindsight, I think they got complacent and let their guard down. So maybe people don't do things to the letter of the law, which can open the door to (safety) getting worse."
Please, ignore the politics for one gorram minute! Not everything has to do with one person's political affiliations. Yes, the democrats suggested that the FAA was getting lazy and allowing things to slide, but as point out above, one small thing being allowed by can only open the door for bigger issues to slide by, and so on and so forth. Yes, the open-ended policy that's in place is great, but that is not where the issue lies; it lies in the fact that companies aren't complying with federal laws on deadlines and safety regulations that prevent planes from falling out of the sky.
The wiring may or may not be a problem, unless some factor that they didn't know about comes into play and it causes the landing gear to malfunction. I'm not sure if anyone remembers that plane from a few years ago that caught on fire on the tarmac because the landing gear failed.
Then you have to consider the legal parts of this. Southwest just got sued for how much? And they're already losing profits because of gas prices, lack of consumer interest, and now they have to shut down several planes in order to fix them?
"The FAA responded by levying a $10.2 million fine on Southwest and starting an audit of how all airlines were complying with several safety regulations, including some wiring rules that airlines were supposed to meet in 2006.
American canceled more than 400 flights last month to check and fix its wiring. But this week, FAA inspectors discovered that 15 out of 19 American jets they examined were out of compliance with the wiring specifications."
If American didn't comply with those standards back in 2006 and they are only just now taking a look at it... that compels me not to fly American. That is what Congress is seeing; and just because an article quotes one Democrat and says that the majority of Dems are pushing for it doesn't make it something 'retarded' or 'political' - it just means that these people who are supposed to be enforcing our laws are doing their job, which is to make sure that the laws that are set forth are followed so that the American people are safe.
Unless of course, you don't mind risking your life when you fly, you don't mind that companies are allowed to slack off when even the slightest malfunction or error could cause a plane to crash or land improperly. I however would like to think that my leaders are actually trying to help me, actually trying to do something that prevents harm from coming to me. It's all fine and dandy that you want to put a political lemon twist into every drink you find, but sometimes you just can't, and I think that this is one of those occasions.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry Gino, but you're showing your ass again, these ARE petty little rules.
No. They aren't.
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It's widely recognized by those who know wtf they're talking about that these are more about compliance issues than safety issues.
Compliance is a safety issue. Sure any given inspection is unlikely to find an immediately threatening issue but not inspecting means not finding the problems until they occur. Which is usually after people die because of them.
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It's already been stated that had the S.W. incident not occurred, there'd be no immediate rush to ground every damn plain for such a minor issue.
Well yea had the fact that inspections weren't occurring not come to light inspections would still not be occurring. The fault here lies entirely with the current administration not doing it's regulatory job properly and with airlines that apparently don't really care if their passengers live or die.
David
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Damn them! DAAAAAAAAMN THEM for putting safety above Rappy's travel plans.
The bastards.
Yet if Republicans has ordered this, he'd be bitching that the evil Democratic congress had been letting safety slide for too long, endangering the lives of Americans.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Damn them! DAAAAAAAAMN THEM for putting safety above Rappy's travel plans.
Yes and to be clear I do think it sucks that the Au-man wasn't able to make his trip. I just think he's blaming the wrong people for the problem.
David
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Yes and to be clear I do think it sucks that the Au-man wasn't able to make his trip. I just think he's blaming the wrong people for the problem.
David
Okay, yeah, fair point. I guess I can be as reactionary against Rap as he is against the Dems.
So, sincerely dude, sorry your trip got axed.
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Damn them! DAAAAAAAAMN THEM for putting safety above Rappy's travel plans.
The bastards.
Yet if Republicans has ordered this, he'd be bitching that the evil Democratic congress had been letting safety slide for too long, endangering the lives of Americans.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Not MY travel plans, but those of over a million passengers. And for what ? Some political pissing contest ? If the GOP had done the same thing and for the same reasons, I'd be just as , if not more ticked off. And THAT is the point of this thread in the 1st place. That Governments are good for one thing, gettin' in the way of us common folk. This time, as it traditionally more often the case, it was the Democrats who had their finger in everyone's pie. ( Thankfully it wasn't one of Clinton's cuban cigars )
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Not MY travel plans...
Then why'd you title the thread that way....?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Not MY travel plans...
Then why'd you title the thread that way....?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
Not JUST my travel plans. That better?
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The most truthful header would be "American Airlines made me miss my nephew's graduation!'
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This thread is funny on so many levels, I can't even count them all.
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The most truthful header would be "American Airlines made me miss my nephew's graduation!'
It was the FAA, feeling the heat from the Dem congressmen. Not AA. They didn't intentionally piss off their customers and take a multi million $$$ hit for snorts and giggles.
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They were told to do this work 2 years ago, had they done it at the time during routine maintenance then you wouldn't have been disrupted.
It's like complaining that the local health department "inconvenienced" you by closing your favorite restaurant, when in actuality they closed it because the restaurant had rats. It's AA's fault for not keeping it's house in order, when they were found out they were compelled to do the work immediately and all at once.
Look on this like a legal contract. Say you signed a contract with a company to paint your fence while you were on vacation. When you come home the fence still isn't painted so you use your legal rights to make them paint the fence that same day. They had the chance to take their time and do it but they didn't, now they need to pull in 5 times the number of guy's to get it done on your timetable and 5 other folks don't get their fences painted that day.
In that case, would the folks whose fences are not painted right to blame YOU for upholding your legal rights or the painting company for not executing their agreed contract with you?
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"It's already been stated that had the S.W. incident not occurred, there'd be no immediate rush to ground every damn plain for such a minor issue."
Oh, you mean the stupid minor issue of not being able to retract the nose landing gear due to faulty wiring ? Oh, THAT stupid minor issue !
Rap, you are such a stupid ass.
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And I believe you mean plane, as in airplane, not plain.
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This thread is funny on so many levels, I can't even count them all.
Like the fact people still try to convince AURaptor that he is wrong about something......
I still think he is really Stephen Colberts secret online persona
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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RAP_ Have you ever thought that maybe if the airlines had DONE THEIR INSPECTIONS ON TIME this wouldn't have happened? That you'd trust your safety to the airlines- who are... as I'm sure even YOU'D admit... in the business to make money, ie. cut corners every chance they get?
Whoa. You're just a fucking junkie is all. You're wedded to your own little world. And you have NO IDEA who your real enemy is. I'm afraid you'll just have to hit bottom before you realize that you're utterly, dangerously wrong.
BTW- How's that economy going for ya?
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The economy going to hell is also the Democrats fault. As is high oil prices. And the fact that Auraptor's chosen sports team/individual never wins. All the Democrats fault because of, you know, the reason. Thing. Therein. To.
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"It's already been stated that had the S.W. incident not occurred, there'd be no immediate rush to ground every damn plain for such a minor issue."
Oh, you mean the stupid minor issue of not being able to retract the nose landing gear due to faulty wiring ? Oh, THAT stupid minor issue !
Rap, you are such a stupid ass.
It's not faulty wiring, you pig lover. At issue is whether or not the compliance was followed TO THE LETTER, and whether or not the ties for the bundles were spaced at 1", and not the destructive, horrible and wrong spacing of 1 1/2 " - THE HORROR !!
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The lacing cord must be installed exactly according to the FAA's 2006 AD, airline and federal officials say
The bureaucracy of BIG GOVERNMENT is what will take down this , and many other great nations.
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Airline executives said they thought they had fixed the wiring two weeks ago, when they canceled more than 400 flights to inspect and in some cases fix the shielding around the wires in their MD-80 aircraft.
DALLAS — Business trips and vacations were disrupted for tens of thousands of travelers Wednesday as American Airlines canceled more than 1,000 flights — nearly half its schedule — to fix faulty wiring that could cause a short-circuit or even a fire and explosion The issue stems from an order that the Federal Aviation Administration gave airlines in September 2006 — and gave airlines until last month to meet — about the bundling of wires in the backup power system for the fuel pump of the MD-80 airplanes. The fear is that improperly bundled wires could rub, leading to an electrical short or even fire.
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Sounds like there's a little more than bundling going on - something to do with shielding perhaps ? And, who do you blame for the fact that AA was given one and a half years to fix the problems and failed to do so ? Just out of curiosity.
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Sorry, but that report is misleading , to be blunt. It was about the lacing of wire bundles, and nothing else. The FAA specs call for 1 " spacing. Any more or less isn't up to code. THAT is what this is all about. Take a moment to wrap your brain around that for a bit. They add in the scare factor to make the whole issue seem credible, when in fact, it's not.
Seen any MD 80's exploding mid air, or splatting on the runways, when their nose gear doesn't come down?
No ?
Huh.
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
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Ehhh, again, you are wrong. Gotta break that habit, dude. The problem is with the nose gear not coming UP. See the difference ? And yes, there have been a significant number of problems from that.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/04/08/griffin.landing.gear/index.html?imw=Y
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CNN has learned that American's fleet of MD-80 planes has recorded 23 landing gear problems in the last few months; several have resulted in emergency landings. Pilots say the Fort Worth-based airline and the Federal Aviation Administration are not doing enough to find a solution.
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Now WHO exactly is responsible for the nose gear not coming up ? The democrats you say ? HHHhhmmmm. You're going to have to work to make a case for that little story.
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I'll bet you dollars to donuts that it's NOT the fault of the lacing which holds the wire bundles to the frame.
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Pilots say the Fort Worth-based airline and the Federal Aviation Administration are not doing enough to find a solution.
TRANSLATION: We dunno what the problem is. ( Other than maybe old planes, mostly built by McDonnell Douglas, and not Boeing )
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Actually the initial source of the 1" spacing came from McDonnel Douglas after the remediation's after this accident investagation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_111#TSB_Findings
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Why the hell is the MD-80 aka DC-9, which they renamed to MD-80 with a few cosmetic changes since public perception of the DC-9 being completely unsafe due to many incidents that no one wanted to fly on one... still in the air anyway ?
THAT aircraft has about the most piss poor safety record of any commercial aircraft ever used in the commercial carrier industry, while the Boeing 737 has the best, imop.
Back before I quit flying due to not liking TSA shakedowns and hassle, the 737 was the only plane I would get on, and by preference, flown by Southwest Airlines - say what you will about this incident, they've NEVER killed a passenger, and no other airline I am aware of can say that.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Why the hell is the MD-80 aka DC-9, which they renamed to MD-80 with a few cosmetic changes since public perception of the DC-9 being completely unsafe due to many incidents that no one wanted to fly on one... still in the air anyway ?
THAT aircraft has about the most piss poor safety record of any commercial aircraft ever used in the commercial carrier industry, while the Boeing 737 has the best, imop.
Back before I quit flying due to not liking TSA shakedowns and hassle, the 737 was the only plane I would get on, and by preference, flown by Southwest Airlines - say what you will about this incident, they've NEVER killed a passenger, and no other airline I am aware of can say that.
-F
Funny you should say that, all my experience was with 737-200 and 737-300 aircraft. Except for many of the guys I was working with had to also work shifts for the airline they had left to come to work for the one I was with ( a union payout thing ). That gave me an opportunity to help do a engine test run on a DC-10, and the funny part. The DC-9 had the nickname " The Death Screamer " while the larger DC-10 was known as " The Death Cruiser "
Just what you like to hear from the maintenance department.
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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The airline says 'well, it was only a technicality", which Rap, of course, believes with his whole heart, his whole soul and his whole being. Not that they have a vested interest in shifting blame or anything.
Then one runs across this:
"Then Monday, a new FAA inspection called for some other changes including the replacement of parts American had used that were not approved by the FAA."
Maybe it has something to do with the shielding around the wires alluded to by the WashPost. Now maybe he doesn't know what out of spec replacement parts can do. He should consider this a good learning experience.
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It was the DEMOCRATS that put that stuff in there !
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Quote:Thanks for the heads-up.
The DC-9 had the nickname " The Death Screamer " while the larger DC-10 was known as " The Death Cruiser " Just what you like to hear from the maintenance department.
So, let's see if I got this straight, Rap. You trust the makers of the engines (who are in the business to make money) to flag significant issues, and the airlines (who are in the business to make money) to fully inspect their planes, correct problems expeditiously, and use full-spec parts. Hmmm.
I wish you the best of luck on your next flight.
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The fact that they would normally put such inspections off and allow the airline to do it on their own time tells me that it wasn't a high priority issue. But because of the recent trouble there's been w/ another airline, it was decided that something more immediate had to be done, for appearances sake.
Quote:Yeah, because those businesses find it harder to make money when their planes fall out of the sky, ya know. In fact,i'd much rather fly w/ a manufacturer or an airline that CARES about making money, rather than a bunch of folks, who, you know...just like flyin' and stuff, dude.
So, let's see if I got this straight, Rap. You trust the makers of the engines (who are in the business to make money) to flag significant issues, and the airlines (who are in the business to make money) to fully inspect their planes, correct problems expeditiously, and use full-spec parts. Hmmm.
I like the company slogan.. " If it's not Boeing, I'm not going ! " And in my case, it seems to be exactly right !
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If it's not Boeing, I'm not going !
Heh heh, imma remember that one.
I have a partial interest in some aircraft industry, never you mind the details, but due to this I get to see a lot of the safety and incident reports, ok ?
imop the Boeing 737 is one of the toughest birds to ever take wing, resulting in a 40% passenger survival rate even in a total airframe writeoff.
http://www.b737.org.uk/accident_reports.htm
Barring an outright nosedive pancake from altitude, chances are you'll suffer nothing more than a few scrapes and bumps.
I cannot comment on the current situation as I simply don't have enough honest information to do so - Southwest claims THEY brought it to the FAA's attention and the FAA threw a hissy, the FAA claims Southwest wasn't following procedure, and everybody is pointing the finger at everyone else instead of addressing the problem.
Inconvenient or not, in such a situation, I'd favor erring on the side of caution, but it should have been done in such a fashion as to allow immediate inspections to clear flights with as few delays as possible - thanks to the TSA shakedown and related hassles, folks are not best pleased with the airlines these days, even though the airlines don't have much control over that aspect, they're still taking a lot of the flak.
Of course, if it's flak you're dealing with, you wanna Boeing B17G, not a 737-300...
-F
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Quote:Yeah, safety inspections cost time and money, so of course they're not a high priority issue! At least, not with the airlines.
The fact that they would normally put such inspections off and allow the airline to do it on their own time tells me that it wasn't a high priority issue.
Quote:Rap, it's pretty hard to keep news of planes falling out of the sky from the papers, but do you have any idea how HARD it is to get safety records of non-catastrophic failures? The FAA keeps those records held very, very tightly, even tho they're SUPPOSED to release them. Before I booked my last flight.... in late February... I actually tried to get a sense of which airline was the safest, and all I managed to pull up were items of how the FAA was clouding the waters of airline safety by releasing a purposefully garbled record.
Yeah, because those businesses find it harder to make money when their planes fall out of the sky, ya know.
Now of course that complaint has been overtaken by the latest news, which was not caused by "Democrats" but by whistleblowers... people who worked for the FAA... who had serious allegations about lack of safety inspections.
It WOULD help if you would AT LEAST do just a LITTLE research into the facts instead of blowing go-se across several threads.
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The whistleblowers who exposed maintenance and inspection problems at Southwest Airlines told Congress their jobs were threatened and their reports of noncompliance were ignored for years by their superiors. FAA inspector Douglas Peters choked up Thursday at the hearing and needed a few sips of water to tell lawmakers about how a former manager came into his office, commented on pictures of Peters' family being most important, and then said his job could be jeopardized by his actions.
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The FAA last month took the rare step of ordering the audit of maintenance records at all domestic carriers following reports of missed safety inspections at Dallas-based Southwest. The airline was hit with a record $10.2 million fine for continuing to fly dozens of Boeing 737s that hadn't been inspected for cracks in their fuselages.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Rap, it's pretty hard to keep news of planes falling out of the sky from the papers, but do you have any idea how HARD it is to get safety records of non-catastrophic failures? The FAA keeps those records held very, very tightly, even tho they're SUPPOSED to release them.
The FAA doesn't investigate airplane crashes. You might have better luck finding data if you try the agency that does, the NTSB. http://www.ntsb.gov/Aviation/Aviation.htm
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Originally posted by SignyM:
but do you have any idea how HARD it is to get safety records of non-catastrophic failures?
Really hard. First I had to go to Yahoo!, then I had to type NTSB, then I had to pick the second link...NTSB/Aviation. Then I had to click the top link 'Accident Databases and Synopses'. Then I clicked on 'Monthly Lists'. Then I picked a Month (March, 2008) from a list that included twelve months for every year AND years going back to 1962. Finally I picked a day (March 2) and an incident 'S.Charleston, WV Cessna 182Q N97514 Nonfatal'.
Then all I got was:
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NTSB Identification: NYC08CA119
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, March 02, 2008 in S.Charleston, WV
Aircraft: Cessna 182Q, registration: N97514
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
After completing a short cross-country flight, the pilot returned to the private airport where he based his Cessna 182Q. The airport was surrounded by terrain obstructions, and as a consequence, an operational restriction existed which requiring him to land to the north. After joining the traffic pattern to land in the required direction, he flew the downwind leg to the 2,000-foot long runway and "checked the windsock." He then turned on the base leg of the traffic pattern, approximately 1.5 miles from the runway threshold. The wing flaps were selected to the 20-degree position, and he turned on to the final leg. Approximately .8 mile from touchdown, the airplane encountered windshear and lost about 17 knots of indicated airspeed. The pilot applied "full power" and was able to re-stabilize the approach. The pilot reduced engine power once again and the "wind sheared to the tail" of the airplane just prior to touchdown, and the indicated airspeed increased approximately 15 knots. The airplane touched down "approximately 600 feet from the runway end," overran the runway, and the nose wheel dug into the "mud." The pilot then released the backpressure on the control wheel, and the air
And a link to the full report.
Took me 30 seconds. Damn govt coverups...
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It WOULD help if you would AT LEAST do just a LITTLE research into the facts instead of blowing go-se across several threads.
Wow...that kettle sure is black.
H
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Just cause it's semi-relevant to the topic, I've done said my piece on the planes, but yanno, commercial airline pilots are, as a general rule, some of the most heroic SOBs there ever were.
Just listen to any CVR tape, even the really awful ones, they go on right to the end of the tape, and never ever quit trying, in fact most full write off CVR tapes end "not working, try this, ok, try that, maybe we can... oh shit. (static)"
But one for the record books, and some right interesting reading, is...
The Tale of the Gimli Glider.
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=744#more-744
Yes, Virginia, you CAN Forward-Angle-Slip a deadsticked 767...
Seriously, the whole story is fodder for a Depends commercial - but it does have a happy ending.
I may not respect a lotta things, but anyone wearing the wings of a commercial airline pilot rates an automatic "sir" from me, period.
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Um.. Rap ?
Not that it will amount to anything, but Ms. Peters (transportation sec) is officially demanding an explaination in detail over that whole mess, and if you're still a bit annoyed you could possibly parlay that into getting some conciliatory gesture from American Airlines to make up for the screwup.
Just a thought, is all.
-F
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Just cause it's semi-relevant to the topic, I've done said my piece on the planes, but yanno, commercial airline pilots are, as a general rule, some of the most heroic SOBs there ever were.
Just listen to any CVR tape, even the really awful ones, they go on right to the end of the tape, and never ever quit trying, in fact most full write off CVR tapes end "not working, try this, ok, try that, maybe we can... oh shit. (static)"
But one for the record books, and some right interesting reading, is...
The Tale of the Gimli Glider.
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=744#more-744
Yes, Virginia, you CAN Forward-Angle-Slip a deadsticked 767...
Seriously, the whole story is fodder for a Depends commercial - but it does have a happy ending.
I may not respect a lotta things, but anyone wearing the wings of a commercial airline pilot rates an automatic "sir" from me, period.
-Frem
I actually flew on this A/C a few years after the incident. One of the guys I was on the trip with had worked for Air Canada and knew the plane.
Very cool story
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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She was retired 3 months ago and is in the Mohave desert awaiting a breakers crew. Hopefully one of the 3 groups hoping to rescue the old gal will get it's act togther.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Um.. Rap ?
Not that it will amount to anything, but Ms. Peters (transportation sec) is officially demanding an explaination in detail over that whole mess, and if you're still a bit annoyed you could possibly parlay that into getting some conciliatory gesture from American Airlines to make up for the screwup.
Just a thought, is all.
-F
AA didn't do anything wrong. It was the FAA , reacting the the idiotic bureaucrats in D.C. , headed by the Democrats. Besides, it was a moment that can't be recaptured that I missed. There's nothing they can do.
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
but do you have any idea how HARD it is to get safety records of non-catastrophic failures?
Really hard. First I had to go to Yahoo!, then I had to type NTSB, then I had to pick the second link...NTSB/Aviation. Then I had to click the top link 'Accident Databases and Synopses'. Then I clicked on 'Monthly Lists'. Then I picked a Month (March, 2008) from a list that included twelve months for every year AND years going back to 1962. Finally I picked a day (March 2) and an incident 'S.Charleston, WV Cessna 182Q N97514 Nonfatal'.
Then all I got was:Quote:
NTSB Identification: NYC08CA119
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, March 02, 2008 in S.Charleston, WV
Aircraft: Cessna 182Q, registration: N97514
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
After completing a short cross-country flight, the pilot returned to the private airport where he based his Cessna 182Q. The airport was surrounded by terrain obstructions, and as a consequence, an operational restriction existed which requiring him to land to the north. After joining the traffic pattern to land in the required direction, he flew the downwind leg to the 2,000-foot long runway and "checked the windsock." He then turned on the base leg of the traffic pattern, approximately 1.5 miles from the runway threshold. The wing flaps were selected to the 20-degree position, and he turned on to the final leg. Approximately .8 mile from touchdown, the airplane encountered windshear and lost about 17 knots of indicated airspeed. The pilot applied "full power" and was able to re-stabilize the approach. The pilot reduced engine power once again and the "wind sheared to the tail" of the airplane just prior to touchdown, and the indicated airspeed increased approximately 15 knots. The airplane touched down "approximately 600 feet from the runway end," overran the runway, and the nose wheel dug into the "mud." The pilot then released the backpressure on the control wheel, and the air
And a link to the full report.
Took me 30 seconds. Damn govt coverups...
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It WOULD help if you would AT LEAST do just a LITTLE research into the facts instead of blowing go-se across several threads.
Wow...that kettle sure is black.
H
I read through hundreds of these while in school, some were interesting and some not so much.
Anyone interested in crash investigations though should watch this video
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
stupid democrats... yeah, they probably should have just shut the f**k up - maybe you could have crashed fairly close to your destination....
LOL
if only we didn't have to listen to Auraptor's rants anymore 
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Hey stupid 'Hero'
IN FACT - there are NO statistics, by carrier, of non-fatal accidents. Oddly enough, JUST AS SIGNYM SAID. And which you purposefully misrepresented. But that's your specialty. Got any go-se of your own you're blowing ?
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviation/Stats.htm
'statistical reports' only go to 2003 no carriers listed
'most recent monthly statistics' gives an error message
'year-to-date' chart is only total numbers, no carriers or type or anything, really and of course, no carriers listed
'aircraft accidents in Alaska' gives an error message
'1983-1999 Air Carrier Accident Data Used in Annual Review' self explanantory
'2001 GA Accident Aircraft Data Used in Annual Review' self explanantory
'2000 GA Accident Aircraft Data Used in Annual Review' self explanantory
'1999 GA Accident Aircraft Data Used in Annual Review' self explanantory
'1998 GA Accident Aircraft Data Used in Annual Review' self explanantory
'Table 1 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 2007 Preliminary Statistics, U.S. Aviation (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 2 Accidents and Accident Rates by NTSB Classification, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 121 (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 3 Passenger Injuries and Injury Rates, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 121 (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 4 Number and Rate of Destroyed Aircraft, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 121 (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 5 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 121, Scheduled and Nonscheduled Service (Airlines) (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 6 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 121, Scheduled Service (Airlines) (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 7 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 121, Nonscheduled Service (Airlines) (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 8 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 135, Scheduled Service ( .csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 9 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 1988 - 2007, 14 CFR 135, Nonscheduled Service (On-demand Air Taxis) (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 10 Accidents, Fatalities, and Rates, 1988 - 2007, U.S. General Aviation (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 11 Fatal Accidents, 2007 Preliminary Data for All Operations Under 14 CFR 121 and for Scheduled Operations Under 14 CFR 135 (.csv version)' no carriers listed
'Table 12 Air Carrier Occurrences Involving Illegal Acts (Sabotage, Suicide, or Terrorism), 1988 - 2007 (.csv version)' no carriers listed
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Originally posted by Hero:Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
but do you have any idea how HARD it is to get safety records of non-catastrophic failures?
Really hard. First I had to go to Yahoo!, then I had to type NTSB, then I had to pick the second link...NTSB/Aviation. Then I had to click the top link 'Accident Databases and Synopses'. Then I clicked on 'Monthly Lists'. Then I picked a Month (March, 2008) from a list that included twelve months for every year AND years going back to 1962. Finally I picked a day (March 2) and an incident 'S.Charleston, WV Cessna 182Q N97514 Nonfatal'.
Then all I got was:Quote:
NTSB Identification: NYC08CA119
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, March 02, 2008 in S.Charleston, WV
Aircraft: Cessna 182Q, registration: N97514
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.
After completing a short cross-country flight, the pilot returned to the private airport where he based his Cessna 182Q. The airport was surrounded by terrain obstructions, and as a consequence, an operational restriction existed which requiring him to land to the north. After joining the traffic pattern to land in the required direction, he flew the downwind leg to the 2,000-foot long runway and "checked the windsock." He then turned on the base leg of the traffic pattern, approximately 1.5 miles from the runway threshold. The wing flaps were selected to the 20-degree position, and he turned on to the final leg. Approximately .8 mile from touchdowNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Originally posted by JaynezTown:Quote:
Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
stupid democrats... yeah, they probably should have just shut the f**k up - maybe you could have crashed fairly close to your destination....
LOL
Love those Libs. Don't agree w/ them? They wish you to die in a plane crash.
What clueless morons.
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HHmmm, every single lib said that and that's why you blame all libs. And you wonder why people think you're living in fantasy-land.
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Originally posted by rue:
HHmmm, every single lib said that and that's why you blame all libs. And you wonder why people think you're living in fantasy-land.
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I post remarks by 2 libs, and then say " those libs " in my reply, in reference to those actual 2 libs who I quoted, and some how, in your golf fish sized brain, it translates into EVERY SINGLE Lib. No wonder you folks , meaning ALL YOU LIBERALS get exercised about every little thing, when you exaggerate EVERY SINGLE thing you see!!
What was that ???
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But only one 'lib' made the comment, you see. Do you conservatives not know how to count ? Or do you not know that in English when you use the terms 'they', 'them,' 'those' it means more than one ?
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But only one 'lib' made the comment, you see. Do you conservatives not know how to count ? Or do you not know that in English when you use the terms 'they', 'them,' 'those' it means more than one ?
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I was using the royal vernacular, as in ' we are NOT amused'
Actually, it was JaynezTown and deadlock victim who I quoted. That's 2 the last time I counted.
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RAP: Ah, in other words speaking outta your ass again, making inaccurate generalizations because they agree with your mindset. So... ANOTHER difference between you and most people here?.... You think in terms of caricatures: Libs, Dems, Islamafascists.... and then you paint people with YOUR opinion of them regardless of what they actually think or do. It's just one more way of insulating yourself from the big, complicated world of facts, which is usually pretty messy. (You see? When I have a criticism it's very specific to a person- you in this case- and not against a whole swath of people.)
HERO, RUE: Thanks Rue for looking that up on the safety record. When I tried to look up airline safety records, the complaint that I found was not that the FTSB (not the FAA) hadn't released the records, it was that they released them in such a mess that nobody could make head or tail if it. The "report" contained duplicate records (multiple reports of the same thing), unverified were mixed with verified, equipment failure mixed with administrative violations, unsorted in terms of airline/ date etc.
In other words, despite the fact that the FAA had had the info in their possession for a long time (I think it was on the order of two years) and had been pressured for at least a half-year to release it, they did what is essentially a "raw data dump". So while it was entirely possible to find a single incident record it would be impossible to find a trend unless you were willing parse the entire file. I didn't have the time to pick thru the latest brouhaha and was hoping post the complaints that I found later.
So, Hero, since you're all lawyerly and everything, from the data that YOU can access tell me: Which is the safest major carrier: UAL, USAir, or Southwest?
My impression is that both the FAA and the FTSB have a cozy relationship with the airlines instead of the flying public, and aren't doing their jobs to ensure airline safety. AFA costs are concerned, that's for the airlines to worry about, not the FAA/ FTSB. The only beef that any airline should have with a reliable inspection program would be uneven enforcement because then particular airlines would suffer a competitive disadvantage. But if the program is evenly enforced, then all of the airlines are on a level playing field and they can then all pass the cost along.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
RAP: Ah, in other words speaking outta your ass again, making inaccurate generalizations because they agree with your mindset. So... ANOTHER difference between you and most people here?.... You think in terms of caricatures: Libs, Dems, Islamafascists.... and then you paint people with YOUR opinion of them regardless of what they actually think or do. It's just one more way of insulating yourself from the big, complicated world of facts, which is usually pretty messy. (You see? When I have a criticism it's very specific to a person- you in this case- and not against a whole swath of people.)
Nothing I said was 'inaccurate' . Your vulgarity doesn't make your words any less wrong. That's my criticism for you, is that you're flat out wrong.
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Quote:Or the fact that if the Republicans had majority in congress, he'd be praising them for their appropriate action, and saying ok, his trip was wrecked, but it was for the greater good. Its funny, because it's like watching the personification of FoxNews.
Originally posted by SimonWho:
The economy going to hell is also the Democrats fault. As is high oil prices. And the fact that Auraptor's chosen sports team/individual never wins. All the Democrats fault because of, you know, the reason. Thing. Therein. To.
Personally, I really really hope Mccain doesn't win this next election. Beyond the fact that he'll have an even more idiotic foreign policy than the current US Administration, it's going to be so much fun watching the staunchly pro-US-Government types here suddenly switch roles to staunchly anti-US-Government types. All the while proclaiming it has nothing to do with the President being a democrat.
I can't wait.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Or the fact that if the Republicans had majority in congress, he'd be praising them for their appropriate action, and saying ok, his trip was wrecked, but it was for the greater good. Its funny, because it's like watching the personification of FoxNews.
Originally posted by SimonWho:
The economy going to hell is also the Democrats fault. As is high oil prices. And the fact that Auraptor's chosen sports team/individual never wins. All the Democrats fault because of, you know, the reason. Thing. Therein. To.
Personally, I really really hope Mccain doesn't win this next election. Beyond the fact that he'll have an even more idiotic foreign policy than the current US Administration, it's going to be so much fun watching the staunchly pro-US-Government types here suddenly switch roles to staunchly anti-US-Government types. All the while proclaiming it has nothing to do with the President being a democrat.
I can't wait.
Wow. You 2 are more dense than lead. First of all, my chosen sports team DOES win, thank you very much. Watch out for them this fall too.
Secondly, I've already stated that I'd be JUST as upset had the GOP leaders pulled a stunt like this, but to no surprise to me or anyone w/ even half a brain, it was the Democrats.
But fret not, citizen comrade, McCain will win the White House.
And I'm enjoying Hillary and Obama cutting each other down below the knees, exposing what worthless candidates each really is to the American public. 
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Quote:Wouldn't be the first lie you've told
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I've already stated that I'd be JUST as upset had the GOP leaders pulled a stunt like this
. Maybe you even believe that, I doubt anyone else does though.Quote:I'm sure that makes you happy, Herr Raptor.
But fret not, citizen comrade, McCain will win the White House.
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Damn them! DAAAAAAAAMN THEM for putting safety above Rappy's travel plans.
The bastards.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Yet if Republicans has ordered this, he'd be bitching that the evil Democratic congress had been letting safety slide for too long, endangering the lives of Americans.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Not MY travel plans, but those of over a million passengers. And for what ? Some political pissing contest ? If the GOP had done the same thing and for the same reasons, I'd be just as , if not more ticked off. And THAT is the point of this thread in the 1st place. That Governments are good for one thing, gettin' in the way of us common folk. This time, as it traditionally more often the case, it was the Democrats who had their finger in everyone's pie. ( Thankfully it wasn't one of Clinton's cuban cigars )
Sorry to make a fool out of you once again, comrade citizen, but , as you see, I've already posted that I'd be as if not more upset had the GOP done this stunt. WTF difference does it make if one or the other party needlessly does this sort of crap ? I missed my trip, regardless, and that's the WHOLE GORRAM POINT. Idiots in D.C. F-ing up the lives of average folk , just so they can play king of the hill.
I'll be relieved if McCain wins, but not necessarily " happy ". Happy would have been Senator Thompson or Mitt Romney being the GOP's choice for President. McCain is still better than Hitlery or Barack Hussein Osama.
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You've never made a fool of anyone but yourself, that's why you have to declare it all the time Goering, in the hope someone might be fooled .
The only person you ever make a fool of is as I said, yourself, ironically by arrogantly thinking you've proven someone wrong, while really proving them right and missing the point of what they said entirely. Maybe, if you went to some evening classes on reading comprehension and read what other people said for a change, you wouldn't be such a colossal tool, but there you are. You really are the least intelligent poster on this site, and your idiocy is even apparent in how you're incapable of even the childishly simple task of formating a post. I have no doubt you think you've just been terribly clever and scathing, but really your post has all the innate sting of a retarded five year olds crayon writing, though perhaps showing less intelligent thought behind it's composition.
You can't even get your insults right. I'm not a communist, anything like, I've openly criticised communism, so saying 'Comrade Citizen' falls as far past the mark as your attempts to crayon within the lines. Where as I have never sounded like a communist, you continually sound like a fascist. Hell, change Muslim for Jew in your posts, and the nickname Goering sounds even more adroit.
You may honestly believe that you'd be as down on the Republicans about this, but I, nor I suspect anyone else here is as deluded as you. I care not for your childish selfish attitude, "my trip was ruined, waa!" common folk diatribe. If you're common folk in America, the country really is in trouble, you're nothing but a stupid, selfish, arrogant tool, and a very nasty piece of work. In fact I always thought Obama's comment about bitter working class Americans was stupid nonsense, but if theres any truth in you being common folk, he's right on the money.
Maybe one day you'll realise how little you resemble a decent human being, "common folk" if you will, though I doubt you have either the intelligence, nor introspection to pull off a Human endeavor such as that. You're nothing but an animal, what Chrisisall might call a Biped, in the end, nothing you say has merit.
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Rap, 'tis simple, better safe than sorry.
I'm sorry you missed your nephew's graduation.
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citizen comrade, I just love how you try to interject your own views into other's hearts and thoughts. You see, in your world, you have to ignore what I say, dismiss my point, attempt to insult me and then try to tell ME what I'd think. Wow. What a busy little huckleberry.
Instead of an apology and admission that you were wrong - AGAIN, you make even a BIGGER ass of yourself by trying to question my intelligence, calling me names, none of which are based in anything coming remotely close to 'fact', and then you blah blah blah on some more.
How much time do you spend in front of the mirror, fancying yourself each day?
And why would I replace 'jews' for 'muslims' ? That makes absolutely no sense what so ever. Jews were scapegoated by the Nazis,who wanted to exterminate them, while the Islamo-fascists Muslims of today are blowing up innocents, sawing off heads, killing Van Goghs, burning cars in France, trying to do what the Nazis did, but in a more direct and crude fashion...... Jews never did anything near that, so your pale attempt at any analogy only shows your utter and complete ignorance.
Color me not shocked in the least.
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Lol, you can't even think of your own insults, you have to parrot mine back at me. Its like being insulted by a retard.
Hold on, what do I mean like.
I wasn't saying the Muslims and Jews should be swapped, I said your anti-Muslim invective sounds just like Nazi anti-Jew propaganda. The only person who looks like a fool is you, because again you've missed the point in a way only a retard could. I'm not trying to insult your intelligence, you do that yourself every time you post.
Here's something you need to remember. Its better for you to remain silent and let everyone think you are an idiot AURaptor, rather than, as usual, open your mouth and remove all doubt .
As for how long I spend looking in the mirror, none at all. But even if I did, I imagine it would be rather less time than you spend masturbating to images of Hitler and dead Iraqi Children.
The only apology owed here is that by your mother to the Human race for not strangling you at birth.
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No where close did I come to " parroting " your insults back to you. Mine were all new , fresh and sassy. And true. Yours are tired, lame and boring. And false.
Read my post again, comprehension boy. Not once did I say anything about swapping nazis for jews. I said, and I quote ...
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And why would I replace 'jews' for 'muslims' ?
, you've got the intellect of a dip stick. My anti Muslim point of view is valid and w/ cause. The Nazis has NO cause to vilify and attempt to exterminate the jews. However, the Islamo -fascists of today are signing their own death warrant with each throat they saw, each Dutch film maker they kill or market place they blow up. It's them, not us, who started this. But we WILL end it.
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Quote:And that is based on... what? Oh, that's right: invisible facts!
Nothing I said was 'inaccurate' . Your vulgarity doesn't make your words any less wrong. That's my criticism for you, is that you're flat out wrong.
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Quote:Except you're doing it again. This is my insult from two posts back, I'd say get your own, but you lack the intellect. With delusions like this, you need medication.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
No where close did I come to " parroting " your insults back to you. Mine were all new , fresh and sassy. And true. Yours are tired, lame and boring. And false.
Medication, medication, medication is what you need!
Quote:Man, you really are dumb. Replace and swap are obvious synonyms, there's people in persistent vegetative states that can get that! Way to miss the point, were you grown in a vat for human experiment? How did your brain even learn Human speech?
Read my post again, comprehension boy. Not once did I say anything about swapping nazis for jews. I said, and I quote ...Quote:
And why would I replace 'jews' for 'muslims' ?
Quote:That's pretty ironic.
, you've got the intellect of a dip stick.
Quote:Yeah, but that's what the nazi's would have said about the Jews, Goering.
My anti Muslim point of view is valid and w/ cause.
Quote:Haha, did you imagine a big booming voice while you said that, then roll credits. You live your life as if its a Hollywood action movie. Laters, Last Action Tool.
But we WILL end it.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Yeah, but that's what the nazi's would have said about the Jews, Goering.
My anti Muslim point of view is valid and w/ cause.Quote:Haha, did you imagine a
But we WILL end it.
I guess because of the lead paint you continue to chew on, I must post things multiple times before they sink into your skull. Yes, the Nazis scapegoated the Jews before they tried to kill them, but to my knowledge, the jews weren't flying planes into buildings, blowing up pizza parlors or bus loads of children, sawing the heads off of journalist, raping, shooting and then blowing up 186 or so school children in Beslan, cutting the heads off of 3 Philippine school girls, murdering the grandson of Vincent Van Gogh, setting off bombs in Madrid or in London, etc, etc, etc....
Nope. Jews did none of those things, no where even close. THEIR crime was being Jewish, nothing more. So, for YOU to compare them to the soulless monsters who scream "Allahu Akbar " just before they murder yet ANOTHER innocent life, is beyond the realm of moronic.
How dare you, you witless door knob.
i feel sorry for anyone who suffers to live in your sad, ugly little world.
*Exits thread *
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Quote:Since you're an evil idiot nazi, I Have to tell you things multiple times. Now get George Bush's cock outta your mouth and listen up shit for brains:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I guess because of the lead paint you continue to chew on, I must post things multiple times before they sink into your skull.
Quote:Lets just slip right past the fact that this sentence proves me right, and get on to the real facts. I wasn't comparing Jews to Muslims you stupid brainless tit, I was comparing you to a Nazi, and it's still a good comparison. You are a fascist little twerp who would happily goose step to work in a Muslim concentration camp each morning, preside over the deaths of a bunch of innocent children, then return home smiling about a job well done
So, for YOU to compare them to the soulless monsters who scream "Allahu Akbar " just before they murder yet ANOTHER innocent life, is beyond the realm of moronic.
.Quote:How dare you critisise anyone for anything when you are a wannabe Nazi Terrorist, you brainless evil fuck?
How dare you, you witless door knob.
Quote:I feel happy for your family that they were spared your presence on this trip to your imaginary nephews day. They were really much happier without you, believe me. I feel sorry for your mother who was forced to give birth to you, no doubt after your father raped her, because if he's anything like you no woman would actually want to sleep with him
i feel sorry for anyone who suffers to live in your sad, ugly little world.
. Sad lonely little wannabe Nazi, as far as little worlds go, I bet Dallas was the furthest you were ever going to be from home. That's really why your upset isn't it. Biggest trip of your life, furthest from home you were ever going to get, and gone. But hey, look on the bright side, least your wife/prize winning pig was in a frisky mood that night .Quote:Ahh, don't be like that shit kicker. While you're here we know your not preying on Muslim children, come back! Or, while you're exiting the thread kill yourself, that would be even better
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.Come on, we both know this is the only reason you come here. Well, that and to blame the Democrats for everything, because you are desperate for an extreme right-wing Republican fascist dictatorship. I'm just giving you what you want Goering.
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Quote:HE STARTED IT!
It's them, not us, who started this.
Spoken like a true kindergartener!
Yanno Rap, your over-reaction to the fundie muslim threat simply reveals how terrified you are. In YOUR case, the terrorists have won because they've generated an endless fount of terror in you. Here's a hint: You can't rid yourself of terror by killing terrorists. The assurance you seek is inside of you. Go find it, and come back a whole person. BTW RAP, I'm curious- why is this rapid back-and forth between you and Cit generating a ton of notification in MY email? Usually one hits the "reply" button on the last post, and my post is up several layers by now! Are you perhaps confusing me with him? Or are you replying to me because you think I'm the head of some vast liberal conspiracy? Or what?
CIT: Peace, man. Just treat Rap like you would any other crazy person. Hell, just look at the headline of this thread: It's classic delusion with a hint of paranoia. He's not responsible for his thoughts right now, and he certainly won't be bashed into ratioanality.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Yanno Rap, your over-reaction to the fundie muslim threat simply reveals how terrified you are.
Yanno Signy, your under-reaction to the fundie muslim threat simply reveals how naive you are.
Oh, and what is up with Citizen?
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Quote:BDN; Now who's being a stupid tit?
Yanno Signy, your under-reaction to the fundie muslim threat simply reveals how naive you are.
Were you surprised by 9-11? I wasn't. I'd been expecting an attack on American soil for about five years. There was nothing separating the embassy attacks and the attack on the Cole from us except about 3000 miles of water. And that by itself isn't much of a barrier. I don't need a crazy person with his hair on fire telling me that some Muslims hate us. Yeah, really? NO SHIT, SHERLOCK! And furthermore I expect attacks in the future. In fact, a LOT of people around the globe hate us. Middle class Chinese stood up and cheered - yes, cheered- when the towers fell. And altho they wouldn't go to the extreme of orchestrating an attack on our soil they wouldn't lift a finger to help us either, they'll just grind us down economically.
YOU think you know our enemies?
You have no fucking clue.
Quote:I have no idea. Ask him. It's not exactly like we communicate off-board.
What is up with Citizen?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Were you surprised by 9-11? I wasn't. I'd been expecting an attack on American soil for about five years. There was nothing separating the embassy attacks and the attack on the Cole from us except about 3000 miles of water. And that by itself isn't much of a barrier. I don't need a crazy person with his hair on fire telling me that some Muslims hate us. Yeah, really? NO SHIT, SHERLOCK! And furthermore I expect attacks in the future. In fact, a LOT of people around the globe hate us. Middle class Chinese stood up and cheered - yes, cheered- when the towers fell. And altho they wouldn't go to the extreme of orchestrating an attack on our soil they wouldn't lift a finger to help us either, they'll just grind us down economically.
YOU think you know our enemies?
You have no fucking clue.
So let me get this straight. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks which contradicts your earlier statements that Americans have nothing to fear from Fundie Muslims because they are all the way over there. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you are against most means of finding and preventing those very attacks. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you denigrate fellow Posters who fear the same. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks but that can simply be chalked up to collateral damage.
You think you know your own position?
You have no clue.
Oh and the Citizen thing was a rhetorical question.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Were you surprised by 9-11? I wasn't. I'd been expecting an attack on American soil for about five years. There was nothing separating the embassy attacks and the attack on the Cole from us except about 3000 miles of water. And that by itself isn't much of a barrier. I don't need a crazy person with his hair on fire telling me that some Muslims hate us. Yeah, really? NO SHIT, SHERLOCK! And furthermore I expect attacks in the future. In fact, a LOT of people around the globe hate us. Middle class Chinese stood up and cheered - yes, cheered- when the towers fell. And altho they wouldn't go to the extreme of orchestrating an attack on our soil they wouldn't lift a finger to help us either, they'll just grind us down economically.
YOU think you know our enemies?
You have no fucking clue.
So let me get this straight. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks which contradicts your earlier statements that Americans have nothing to fear from Fundie Muslims because they are all the way over there. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you are against most means of finding and preventing those very attacks. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you denigrate fellow Posters who fear the same. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks but that can simply be chalked up to collateral damage.
You think you know your own position?
You have no clue.
Oh and the Citizen thing was a rhetorical question.
Substitute the word "hoping" for "expecting" and then you'll have total understanding of the jackass.
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Quote:I have NEVER said any such thing. Ever. Quote me on that, jackass, I dare you.
So let me get this straight. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks which contradicts your earlier statements that Americans have nothing to fear from Fundie Muslims because they are all the way over there.
Quote:Bullshit. I am FOR preventing terrorist attacks. And we have the very means to do so- It's called the FISA Court. You might have heard about it. Or not.
You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you are against most means of finding and preventing those very attacks.
Quote:NO, I denigrate people who are so overwhelmed by fear that they can't figure out what to do next that is effective. And believe me, abandoning Afghanistan in favor of invading Iraq, bankrupting the country and breaking the army was NOT effective; it was about the most brainless, counterproductive thing anyone could do.
You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you denigrate fellow Posters who fear the same.
Quote:Whatever. But thanks for putting words in my mouth that were never there.
You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks but that can simply be chalked up to collateral damage.
It's interesting that you have confabullate an entire sack of shit and lie your ass off to make your point. But that's what I expect from right-wingers. Because if the truth touched you, you'd melt like the Wicked Witch of the West.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:I have NEVER said any such thing. Ever. Quote me on that, jackass, I dare you.
So let me get this straight. You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks which contradicts your earlier statements that Americans have nothing to fear from Fundie Muslims because they are all the way over there.
I will try to find the archived thread but it will not be my top priorirty.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Bullshit. I am FOR preventing terrorist attacks. And we have the very means to do so- It's called the FISA Court. You might have heard about it. Or not.
You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you are against most means of finding and preventing those very attacks.
How did the FISA Court prevent the attacks on 9/11?
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:NO, I denigrate people who are so overwhelmed by fear that they can't figure out what to do next that is effective. And believe me, abandoning Afghanistan in favor of invading Iraq was NOT effective; it was about the most brainless, counterproductive thing anyone could do.
You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks and yet you denigrate fellow Posters who fear the same.
Now you must find the post where Auraptor said it was a good idea to "abandon" Afghanistan. He might have said it, just show me the proof.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Whatever. But thanks for putting words in my mouth that were never there.
You "know" that more innocent people will become victims of terrorist attacks but that can simply be chalked up to collateral damage.
Happens all the time in RWED, you most of all should know that.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
It's interesting that you have confabullate an entire sack of shit and lie your ass off to make your point. But that's what I expect from right-wingers. Because if the truth touched you, you'd melt like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Better to melt than get a house dropped on my head.
Let's see what I can find in the archives before I'm fitted for a bucket.
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Quote:It's also what they say, and since they're pissed off about stuff that America and other nations were doing in the Middle East before Al Qaeda even existed, they've probably kinda got a point there.
Originally posted by SignyM:
HE STARTED IT!
Doesn't excuse them any. But it doesn't excuse us either. AURaptor excusing any actions we make to them and meticulously cataloging anything they do to us, is the very measure of his Nazism.
Quote:Nothing. I tried very hard for quite sometime to treat AURaptor with respect, and to listen to his opinion. But his opinion is merely Rush Limbaugh's opinion, and his response, no matter how people speak to him, is the height of disrespect and nastiness. So I got bored of trying, and started speaking to him with the respect he shows everyone else. He didn't like that. After awhile, I tried again, with the same result, he's still a fascist prick who wants to kill or otherwise silence anyone different to him. I'll treat him as he treats me and everyone else if that's what he wants. He's shown us all how he wants to be treated, I'm giving him what he wants, supply and demand, you can get behind that no?
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Oh, and what is up with Citizen?
If he just disagreed I'd just ignore him, but his mindset and way of expressing it are exactly those that allowed the Nazi's to flourish in Germany, and enabled them to carry out the Holocaust. If we ignore people like AURaptor, they're likely to do it again, and I for one relish the idea of a Muslim Holocaust no more than a Jewish one. I'm having fun taunting a would-be mass murderer, that's all.
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Quote:It didn't but that's because nobody was looking. So, do you know what the FISA court is?
How did the FISA Court prevent the attacks on 9/11?
Quote:Auraptor is so FOR the war in Iraq you would be hard-pressed to find ANY posts of his relating to Afghanistan or ObL either for that matter. Which is my point: Since GWB took his eye off the ball, so did Rap.
NO, I denigrate people who are so overwhelmed by fear that they can't figure out what to do next that is effective. And believe me, abandoning Afghanistan in favor of invading Iraq was NOT effective; it was about the most brainless, counterproductive thing anyone could do.-Signy
Now you must find the post where Auraptor said it was a good idea to "abandon" Afghanistan. He might have said it, just show me the proof.-BDN
Quote:Yeah, gotta agree with you here: It happens to me a lot in tnhis forum! But if you're implying that I've misrepresetend what soneone has said, show me where I did. I won't hold my breath.
But thanks for putting words in my mouth that were never there.-Signy
Happens all the time in RWED, you most of all should know that- BDN.
Quote:Go ahead and do that. Until then, I'll just consider your posts so much go-se.
Let's see what I can find in the archives before I'm fitted for a bucket.
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