Do you support our current president?
POSTED BY: canttakesky
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 21, 2021 17:33
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Jesus H. Frem.... YES!!! Yes, there are bad cops out there, also, yes there are good cops out there... to simply refuse to belive there are no bad cops simply because you have not personaly been affected by them, you are INSANE!!!
I think I may just give up on any and all serious, current event posts, the amount of insanity and bias being brought forth, not to mention the amount of hateful attitude comeing off these things is driving me away....
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Quote:Well, do you believe that all cops are angles? Or have angles? Or do you believe that all cops are angels?
So what is your point? Are you trying to convince me that not all police are angles? That there are bad cops out there? Is that what you want me to believe?
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Quote:I never jest. I don’t have a sense of humor that I’m aware of. And don’t call me Shirley.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Marxist? Shirley, you jest!
How can your dream of a purely Marxist society ever come to pass, if the state continues to police the public?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Maybe I'm taking his exuberance on the subject with a grain of salt...I din't get that he wants NO government...maybe I should re-read it to check...
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
No. I’m not doing that at all. If you don’t believe me go read what Frem has to say on the idea of anarchy. The difference here is that I actually read what Frem says. So I actually know what he thinks the state is so inherently corrupt and oppressive that he believes it should be done away with completely. And this isn’t something Frem mentioned on the side one day - this has been his raison d’etre for a while now - you couldn’t miss it, unless you were trying to.
Quote:"Angles"? Not understanding here.
So what is your point? Are you trying to convince me that not all police are angles? That there are bad cops out there? Is that what you want me to believe?
I just want to see if you agree that corruption exists in many departments, and that the fact that you haven't personally been directly adversely affected by it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Just curious.
Chrisisall, sad victim of police verbal abuse, theft & threats himself
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Quote:Well, chris, obviously I believe cops are all angles. Some are acute others are obtuse and still others are right. And then there are the spherical angles, which I don‘t even want to get started on.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
"Angles"? Not understanding here.
I just want to see if you agree that corruption exists in many departments, and that the fact that you haven't personally been directly adversely affected by it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Just curious.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Okay, I obviously took silly-pills this AM and I derailed a perfectly valid, serious discussion about authority.
Finn, words seem to have been put into your mouth that all cops are good cops. I'm pretty sure that's not what you think. So, what DO you think?
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JONG
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That said, Law Enforcement is the ONLY thing protecting you and your loved ones from the robbers, murderers, pedophiles, and rapists out there.
Not quite.
Situational awareness, self-defense, are your first bulwark.
Why do I refer to the police as the Cavalry ?
Cause in a way, that's what they are - look, a minor kitchen greasefire, you might nail that one yourself, especially if like me you have a proper fire extinguisher on hand, fully charged and of the correct type.
But that's the key word, MIGHT, and if it gets out of your control, beyond your personal ability to handle, you call 911 and howl for the cavalry in the form of your local fire department, yes ?
The fire extinguisher is your first line, but nobody is saying just cause someone has one there's no NEED for a fire dept.
This analogy goes for the police as well.
Even in regions that DO respect one's right to self protection, there are situations that require more troops or firepower, at least in potential, than one person can bring to bear - and as well police replaced the old time tradition of the posse, instead of rounding up a posse when the criminal has headed for the hills, you summon the police to serve the same function, which in theory they should be better at since it's a fulltime job to them.
Believe me I understand the idea in concept, but it's execution has become so distorted that we need to put a leash on it, and the sooner the better.
CHRIS
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Maybe I'm taking his exuberance on the subject with a grain of salt...I din't get that he wants NO government...maybe I should re-read it to check...
Please do, you'll note that I state over and over that socially, mentally, emotionally, we're not ready for that and will not be for a long time.
That is where incremental minimalism comes into play, weaning us off dependance on external authority starting with that which has no use, is counterproductive, or only exists to fill the porkbarrel.
What I am pulling for is returning some level of personal responsibility and autonomy instead of giving more and more of our lives into the care of others till we're practically a nationwide nursing home.
The police need to learn to accept and respect the fact that people are capable of protecting themselves against minor threats, if not so viciously discouraged, and allow them to do so while using their limited resources for issues that do require professional intervention.
And no, it sure doesn't help when the department itself, and those affiliated with it, are involved in some of those very issues - like the drug trade and it's associated criminal activity and violence, which their purpose is to mitigate, not participate.
BROWNCOAT
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I'm sorry, but I've always had an issue with the WAY you present yourself in these kinds of arguments, Frem, which make me want to side with Finn instead of listening to a prefectly valid viewpoint that you may have... I do not disagree with WHAT your saying most times Frem, just the WAY you say it...
The way you state your ideas seems to me to be you forcing your own point of view down peoples throats, and belitteling them and demeaning them until they either agree to your point of view
I think you mistake me, Browncoat, severely so - yes, I can be harsh, but I will listen to and countenance an argument, especially one where evidence is given and the reason and logic holds, even when I don't agree.
But I refuse to tolerate blatant lies, deliberate distortions, and intentional misrepresentation of my arguments in the fashion it has been done here, and will not only call it out, but hell yes I will bust someones chops for it, cause I get sick of being on the receiving end of it over and over for no better reason than holding a different political concept than most folk do.
You bring me a convincing argument, and some evidence, I can be quite reasonable, but sorry, it's just not in me to tolerate lies, deceptions, misrepresentation of my own viewpoints and plain out a
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
By no means is anyone obligated to agree with me, but if you wanna argue the point, argue the point - instead of attacking me, my beliefs, or my right to hold them.
If someone did that to you, would you not respond in a less than pleasant fashion perhaps ?
Just some thoughts on that for you, is all.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
Hmmm... I'm sorry if my opinion came off as me attacking you, I can be the exact same way, and I tend to look into these threads generally a few days after all of the debate has taken place, so I tend to skim them instead of read them straight through. Most of the comments that I have noticed from you happen to be attacking (at least in part) something in which I believe strongly in (not "todays" debate in particular) it's just that this was kind of the straw that broke the camals back and I may have gotten a bit abrasive and/or defensive...
Again, I appologize if I came off as attacking you, just a general build up of... bad vibes I guess... comeing off today (stupid alarm clock didn't go off, so I got to class late, and it's friggin SNOWING up here again
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Nah, you had a legit beef and I felt an explaination was required.
All too often with one of these threads, I wanna debate the topic and somehow wind up fielding crap that doesn't contribute to it instead, and when folks do that for reasons that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, I do tend to bare some fangs over it, and certain folk have done it often enough that I can be pretty unpleasant about it, sure.
Thing is, the hammer of my argument accomplishes little or nothing without the anvil of a well expressed opposing viewpoint, we've come up with some pretty sensible and palatable ideas on other topics that way - but it doesn't work if instead of forging solutions we attack each other with the tools, you see.
Obviously all police cannot be bad, for were that the case, they would be unable whatsoever to perform the function that they do, that ain't ever what I been sayin - just that we need reforms, we need controls on their behavior, and how to do it without impacting their ability to perform the assigned function, cause if you mire it down in regs and red tape, that's every bit as bad as allowing things to run wild.
We also seriously need to take a closer look at their training and it's focus, I believe, and if I get the chance sometime next week, imma do that, got some business down near there to handle and can maybe put some questions to folk, although that place gives me the willies, as it would any Anarchist, meh.
-F
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