distorted 'feminist' view of firefly

POSTED BY: pepperg
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 19:08
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WHOOO!!!! Serenity 2!!!!! Hopefully the video is right and Universal is seriously considering it, instead of just handing out false hope.

About the distorted views on Firefly: that woman is seriously crazy. Like 'belongs in a looney bin' crazy. Mal never tells nor told Zoe to shut up in ANY episode, and there is no racism whatsoever in the series. And about the 'duct tape' comment, Mal is obviously joking. This phsyco is taking Firefly and twisting it to her own sick, twisted, bizarre ends.

"This is the captain. We may experience some slight turbulence...then explode."

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This woman is an idiot. For lack of a more politically correct term. She is precisely the type that gives actual feminists a bad name.

I already have 7 pages of notes I shall post on her site.

Give me something to do at work.



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"We don't fear the reaper"

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Was using stumble upon and i found this picture, thought some of you might enjoy it:

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I see her point in a couple of places, but it doesn't really bother me.

You know what she expects? A perfect world, a world without sin.

It's not like Whedon is saying his characters are all shiny. I really don't think any discrimination is a very big deal or a very big part of the story at all.

There are so many good things about Firefly that she didn't mention.

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Originally posted by spinebite:
WHOOO!!!! Serenity 2!!!!! Hopefully the video is right and Universal is seriously considering it, instead of just handing out false hope.

About the distorted views on Firefly: that woman is seriously crazy. Like 'belongs in a looney bin' crazy. Mal never tells nor told Zoe to shut up in ANY episode, and there is no racism whatsoever in the series.

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Unless I am mistaken, Mal says Shut up! in the Pilot. When they are scavenging the Carrier and the Alliance ship comes by, Zoe says something, and then Mal says "Shut Up!" effectivekly to everybody, then says something like be quiet, and Wash, shut it down. Of course we all missed Joss's intentions because we did not think of Mal as "he-man White honky" nor Zoe as "submissive slave woman black subordinant" which was apparently obvious to all but us.

I wonder what the crazy feminazi thought when Mal asked Wash "you mean she vowed to obey?" and something like "how does that work?"

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Originally posted by citizen:
Define irony:
A misandrist declaring the vilification of all members of one sex wrong.

In reference to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it is replete with examples of strong female characters, from the literally physically strongest leader and 'hero' of the story Buffy, to the indisputably most intelligent character Willow. In contrast the men are portrayed as flawed, bumbling buffoons, who spend most of their time being rescued by the previously mentioned females. In a lot of ways its a 1950's vampire B movie turned on its head. In that respect there could be an argument for it not being feminist, because its arguably past feminism and into the realms of misandry.

Of course to someone who sees Buffy the Vampire Slayer as non-feminist, FireFly is going to feel like borderline misogyny. It does after all, show strong male characters along side the strong female one's, *gasp*! The problem with FireFly is its setting, its placed in a 'space western' universe, it's explained rather better than I can in Finding Serenity by Jane Espenson, but essentially the Western is very much a genre hinging on old fashioned chivalry, which somewhat hamstrings the feminist, or rather 'equality of the sexes' message, at any rate its old ground.

It does seem to be a lazy analysis to me, not because a lot of time or energy hasn't been spent on it, but because no insight has been gained, no actual analysis has taken place. The author has rather obviously approached the subject wishing to prove what they already knew, that Joss Whedon isn't a feminist, of course how could he, a man, be. All this article really shows is confirmation bias as it pertains to bigotry: replace men with Jew and you've got something written by Heinrich Himmler.

Which is really the point. She plays lip service to empowering women, but really she wants to oppress them as much as she wishes to oppress men. Reading the comments it's clear that she considers that all Women are really Lesbians, forced into heterosexual relationships by men, who, as we also find out, are all rapists. Apparently any male initiated sexual act, even consensual, is rape. She's not after empowerment of women, she's after homogenisation of women, all women have to be just like her. Basically what it's about is forcing the correct choices on Women, this might sound like the same thing as a oppressive patriarchy, but it's not because they're the correct choices, see.

Feminism is, apparently all about preventing women from making their own choices, being that women can't be trusted to do so. This from a real feminist?

Feminism is not misandry, it is not an outward hatred of all men, it is not openly bigoted statements like "I really am beyond worried about how much men hate us" (if anyone has a problem with my statement that, that is bigoted, I'd ask when it was they asked all men how they feel about women), and it is most certainly not a belief that women can't be trusted to make their own decisions. Its a terrible shame that the nobility of feminism is increasingly being co-opted by those who wish to oppress men rather than gain equality for women, and in that respect feminism has failed. Feminism aimed to stop men from objectifying women, but the strip clubs remain open, but in true equality women are now encouraged to, and do, objectify men in the same manner. Feminism aimed to eradicate misogyny, and has certainly succeeded in reducing it and rightfully vilifying it, but in return there has been a meteoric rise in misandry, women seeing men in the way misogynists see women. Perhaps the most disturbing facet of that is how misandry isn't also vilified, but almost encouraged and lauded openly in some circles. Feminism's success in getting women to ape some of the behaviours of men, that it was aiming to eliminate, has certainly lead to a form of equality, if a rather dystopic one.

It is, nonetheless an interesting critique on the Human condition, I weep for the species.

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