distorted 'feminist' view of firefly

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:03 PM

"Then the Pilot is raped by the First Mate."

Still LOLing, ...wiping off tears of laughter...

Hahahahahahaisall

TRAVELER

Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:42 PM

I stopped reading when she got to Mal talking about duct taping Kaylee's mouth. Anyone who has watched that scene knows he is joking. Even Jayne is joking. When Kaylee is shot, Jayne gets very disturbed by this. jayne wants to know why the man who shot her is still alive. You see Jayne watching Simon work on Kaylee and how upset he is about her. If you watch the complete series you know Mal not only loves Kaylee but has a lot of respect for her.

As for Zoe saying sir. This is actually brought up on the show. Joss does not waltz past this issue. Wash reminds Zoe to say sir because Mal likes it. So this issue is out in the open. Zoe served under Mal and also has a lot of respect for him so she uses sir from habit and Mal is the commander of the ship. In private matters Zoe has confronted Mal. She will show him her opinion when she feels he is wrong. Remember when Mal stuck his foot in his mouth about the dress Kaylee was admiring in the store window. Zoe's glare at Mal could have cut him half. She did not even have to say a word and Mal knew he had messed up big time. He also made up for it by taking Kaylee to the party. He could have taken Zoe.

So this person who wrote this piece really has blinders on.

One last thing. Joss does not create perfect characters. His people are real. They have flaws and they make mistakes. This is one of the reasons I enjoy writers like Joss. He goes beyond the adventure of gunslinging a fist fights to weave the personalities of his characters into the plot. And this means they have conflicts amoung themselves. To do that they must have flaws. The best scene in the series is Mal about to send Jayne through the airlock. Talk about personal conflicts.

Well that was my rant.
Thanks for your patience:
Traveler

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

SHUKES

Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:51 PM

That is a pretty incredible article that i struggled valiantly to read, i guess people are going to believe what they want regardless of any exterior influence till the ends of time, at least the 2nd piece restored some of my faith in humanity.

The thing that really got me was her misconstruing Mal's comment about duck taping Kaylee's mouth shut as a serious threat rather than a joke, humour is really lost on some people.

TANKOBITE

Friday, March 28, 2008 12:29 AM

That's not the point though...they were patronizing her and it is offensive to women everywhere...

I don't pay anymore attention to them then I do with the Westboro Baptist Church (My home town High School has had the honor of having them protest us twice; I personally had the honor of playing Taps at a Memorial Service they were forced to wait outside of)

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There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

FREELANCERTEX

Friday, March 28, 2008 1:09 AM

that. is so lame..

LEOPARDFLAN

Friday, March 28, 2008 1:48 AM

Wow. Just... wow. How on earth does that make sense to anyone? Either of those? *stares bewilderedly*

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FAITHLOVESPURPLE

Friday, March 28, 2008 2:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Grizwald:
I love the juxtaposition of those two rants.

"Then the Pilot is raped by the First Mate."

LOL, falls off chair...wipes off tears of laughter...

omgisall

LOL--so funny I'm crying...

The femi-nazi's rant makes me cringe. People on any extreme makes it almost impossible for us to progress into a place where we can celebrate our differences as well as see each other as simply human.

--Faith

"I can't get it right...get it right...since I met you."

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Friday, March 28, 2008 3:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by traveler:
As for Zoe saying sir. This is actually brought up on the show. Joss does not waltz past this issue. Wash reminds Zoe to say sir because Mal likes it. So this issue is out in the open. Zoe served under Mal and also has a lot of respect for him so she uses sir from habit and Mal is the commander of the ship. In private matters Zoe has confronted Mal. She will show him her opinion when she feels he is wrong. Remember when Mal stuck his foot in his mouth about the dress Kaylee was admiring in the store window. Zoe's glare at Mal could have cut him half. She did not even have to say a word and Mal knew he had messed up big time. He also made up for it by taking Kaylee to the party. He could have taken Zoe.

So this person who wrote this piece really has blinders on.

Like many militant feminists, this person is blinded by ideological hatred.

That this person shows contempt for Zoe’s use of a formal title to refer to Mal demonstrates just a how little this person cares to understand the issue he or she is talking about. Zoe’s use of the word “Sir” for Mal helps to define her differently from Jayne. Both are soldiers, but Jayne is a soldier of fortune, not morality, who sees conflict and war only as a means to achieve his personal ends. Zoe is a soldier of sacrifice. She is selfless. She sees herself as a part of something bigger then herself - her captain and her crew - her family. She is not held to servitude by the “Man,” but rather chooses to devote her life to something that means more to her then herself. In almost every way, Zoe represents a real kind of feminism. She is a refreshing character. A woman not driven by her sensuality, but by her responsibly.

If you ask me, the militant feminist’s twisted view of the role of women in society, does more to demean women then empower them. The militant feminist would prefer that all women were selfish people acting only in their own interests, in other words self-conscious assholes, like Jayne. But Jayne is not a character that any reasonable person would hold up as the epitome of what a man should strive to be, so why are women so feeble and unscrupulous, in the eyes of militant feminists, that this should be epitome of what woman should strive to be? I say that if acts of selfless sacrifice and servitude to something greater then themselves is what constitutes a good and noble man, then this same criteria should apply to women. Whedon obviously agrees.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

JRC

Friday, March 28, 2008 3:24 AM

Anyone know why the link disappeared off whedonesque.com? I copied the link on my browser then went back to whedonesque and it's gone. I've been trying to spread the news about this story.

Everyone dies alone.

EMPIREX

Friday, March 28, 2008 5:10 AM

So, apparently I, as a white heterosexual female, can't form my own opinions and any of the ones I have are inherently wrong because I've been brainwashed by the patriarchal society I was brought up in? Seriously, that woman could find something racist and misogynistic about Big Bird, ya think?

While I've heard of hard-core feminism, I never knew what that meant. Now I understand.

Total. Whackos.

"Can you, for a moment, imagine how depressing it is to teach one thousand years of masculine ineptitude? Why do you think there are so few women historians? I'll tell you why. Because history is not such a frolic for women as it is for men... History is a commentary on the various and continuing incapabilities of men. History is women following behind with a bucket and a mop." - Alan Bennett, "The History Boys"

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