Media Greasing the Wheels for Gun Ban
POSTED BY: Kirkules
UPDATED: Thursday, April 21, 2016 20:54
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Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
from my reading of it because it has the line that no one reads "in a well regulated militia" i.e. National Guard.
I must point out, that when our founding father's wrote that, there was no National Guard. Everyone DOES read that line, and that's where the confusion comes from.
To understand their intent, you must understand, that "a well regulated militia" at that time, was all able bodied men (to be PC, all able bodied people) between the ages of 16 and 60.
You also have to understand, that the first Ten Amendments (The Bill Of Rights) are "Individual Rights". The 2nd Amendment, is an individual right, and the militia is all able bodied citizens! i.e. not the National Guard, but all men!
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Not surprising, generally when you hand over your personal safety and security to the State, they do a piss-poor job of it.
Not surprising at all, as it's not their job to insure your personal safety.
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(It is a) fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.
—Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Originally posted by MacBaker:Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Thanks for calling my one paragraph response to another poster a "rant". Frankly, I don't buy your hair-splitting of the issue. Fair-minded people know what I'm talking about in reference to being able to compromise on the issue.
It's not hair splitting at all. Nice attempt to deflect your own ignorance, and call for allies, but fair minded people know better and do their research. Get real kid!
It's becoming more and more obvious that you really don't know what you are talking about. Sorry, but there is NO compromise when were talking about the Constitution. When we allow that, we weaken the Constitution!
Fact: You clearly didn't know the difference between a semi-auto rifle, and a full-auto rifle. The media has brainwashed you. If it looks like a full-auto military weapon, it must be one! That's a lie, and you're a fool for not doing some research before talking on an issue you clearly don't understand.
The media points at a semi-auto rifle, that looks just like the rifle G.I. Joe carries in Iraq, and his gun shoots lots of bullets really really fast, and they call the civilian version an "Assault Rifle" The lemmings believe it without checking the facts for themselves, buy into the BS, and scream for a ban!
The media pulled the same crap in the 70's, calling short barreled revolvers (popular with off duty and undercover cops of the era) "Saturday Night Specials", and tried to ban them. They tried again in the 80's, calling Glocks "Plastic Guns", and making false claims about them being undetectable by airport x-rays (A complete lie), and tried to ban importation of them. Oh, wait, isn't that the same fine weapon almost every cop in America now carries in their duty belt, and relies on to protect them? Thats odd!! Could the media be wrong? YES!
So, before reacting from ignorance again, why don't you instead take the time to learn a few facts, and thank the people in this thread who are attempting to educate you in a few simple truths and some common sense. I'm not sure if your ego will allow you to admit when you're wrong, but one can always hope! Check your facts before spouting media bias! It makes you look foolish!
Now that's a RANT! At least I got may facts right!
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
You gun-loving nuts are a bunch of psychotic bullies. I just have one question. Do you enjoy stroking your guns as much as your peckers?
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Its bad enough you insulted my nuts but my pecker too. I only have one by the way. Ok I'll let you apologize just give them some lip hugs and we'll make nicee nice. cum by yah.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
You gun-loving nuts are a bunch of psychotic bullies. I just have one question. Do you enjoy stroking your guns as much as your peckers?
Wow, that was a pathetic and stereotypical generalization! The old guns as phallic symbol argument. Sorry, I never stroke my guns. Like any tool, they are kept clean and functional, and stored properly, until they are needed. I don't love my guns, but I do see the need for self defense, and for those of us who won't just lay down and die, it's a practical responsibility to have such tools handy.
Nice try with the psychotic bully statement too, but when I entered Police Academy, I passed my psych evaluation. I wonder how you would do?
The only thing I stroke, is my wife. She's a gun owner and a crack shot too, so from your message, you must assume my wife and women like her have some sort of penis envy? LMAO!
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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Originally posted by MacBaker:
The only thing I stroke, is my wife. She's a gun owner and a crack shot too
Nothing better than the smell of gunpowder to turn some folks on. I guess you and crack-shot Annie come together whenever you shoot your guns off and make lots of noise.
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Just ask the German Jews what a good idea it is to give up your right to bear, Riverlove. It's real easy to make fun of people who defend the right when most folk think it a trivial and quaint notion that isn't necessary in a civilized world.
I have a feeling that a lot of folks would change their tune if things ever turn though. This party may not last forever. Might not be living in a world much longer where soccer moms can take their kids to games where they don't keep score because everyone's a winner. Every other country in the world today is teaching their kids to be competitive and how important it is to win and be successful. We here are fat, lazy and incompetant and we're rewarded for that. If we do break from the mold and raise our head too high above the blob trying to pull us back down, we're likely to get our head chopped off.
China's buying up our seaports and airports. Since they'll have free and unfettered access here, forgive me if I want to be able to rely on myself for protection rather than a police force run by another government I dont' trust.
Keep telling yourself I'm crazy too. I've been telling everybody there was a housing bubble ready to burst long before anybody in the media coined the term. Everyone back then said I was crazy and that real estate is always the best investment. Funny what 10 years of good returns will make people forget. Most importantly, that the real average appreciation of home values has only risen .04% more than inflation since we've been keeping score. Untill the asshats at the Fed took our taxpayer dollars and bailed out the banks in the last few months, I was making 2% interest above the supposed Government figures for inflation. I think I'll stick to my plan.
When it comes to guns, well.... somebody is going to have to take them from us, and if the would be takers escelate it to that level, somebody is not going home that night to their family.
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So 'they' come not for you but your neighbor. Are you going to do anything about it ? Or 'they' come for you instead. Is your neighbor going to do anything about it ?
Just b/c a nut with a gun ends up in a stand-off with police doesn't mean everyone's going to rise up and throw off the evil government - even if it makes the news. That's the biggest issue I have with people who think that having a gun is going to change anything. Without the political will and smarts to get organized with other like-minded folk you got nada. Well, if you have enough bullets for you and your family you can at least guarantee 'they' won't take you alive.
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Six you don't have to go back to the German Jews, or the civil rights movement, just look at the Katrina survivors for why you need the second amendment. My sister was even packin. I have an interesting dvd on the gun issue. Its called "In Search Of The Second Amendment". You can order it and burn copies free from the producer. They want you to do that for libraries and such. Here is the link http://www.secondamendmentdocumentary.com/
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by rue:
So 'they' come not for you but your neighbor. Are you going to do anything about it ? Or 'they' come for you instead. Is your neighbor going to do anything about it ?
Just b/c a nut with a gun ends up in a stand-off with police doesn't mean everyone's going to rise up and throw off the evil government - even if it makes the news. That's the biggest issue I have with people who think that having a gun is going to change anything. Without the political will and smarts to get organized with other like-minded folk you got nada. Well, if you have enough bullets for you and your family you can at least guarantee 'they' won't take you alive.
I don't entirely disagree with you Rue. Although I don't appreciate the "nut with a gun" sentiment. Most people who have guns aren't "nuts". Otherwise the question about are you going to do anything about it is a very valid one. To Fletch's chagrin I feel I must use the example of the "me" attitude everyone takes with the smoking issue. They're happy or don't care that smokers are being taxed into the poor house so long as their property taxes don't go up that year to afford the bloated Government Education and medical expenses. You're probably right. Most folk don't band together if it's not somehow benefiting #1.
Whereas you view this possibly as a reason we should be disarmed, I think it speaks even stronger for the reason that we should retain and protect the right. Should things ever change and our Government start taking an active role in entering our houses whenever they feel like it, they would be much less inclined to walk into a house or apartment with an NRA membership sticker on the door.
Basically, what I'm saying, is the likelyhood of that scenario is very slim in a country where the citizens are known to arm themselves.
At this point Rue, nobody is going to rise up and destroy the "evil Government" which controls us. Most folk still have it too good. Even with recession looming, there is still plenty of cake and circus to go around for the majority. Sure, you have your tax protesters that always lose because they are one of a very small minority (if a much larger minority like smokers can't win, how could the tax protestors, right?). If things ever got bad though, that's when people put down the American Idol, pizza and porn and start scheeming ways to band together and do what's right. It's cyclical in nature, and I know you're smart enough and have read enough history to know exactly what I'm saying here.
Let me ask you Rue, because I know this is one of the things that I beleive we agree strongly upon, given our mutual distaste for the way things have gone the last 8 years regarding civil rights violations and the dismantling of the Constitution in general. Do you really believe that there is zero possibility that we or our grandchildren someday may find themselves in a very similar situation that any citizenry who has been disarmed in the past inevitably found themselves in?
Why would you think that? I don't think you do. I think you realize as much as me that all the people at top care about is money and power, and the never-ending quest of obtaining more of both.
A nation of slaves we will be if we give this one thing up. No matter how much Lifetime would have you believe otherwise.
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