Media Greasing the Wheels for Gun Ban
POSTED BY: Kirkules
UPDATED: Thursday, April 21, 2016 20:54
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Yes PirateCat, I know that I don't have to go back to the German Jews or the civil rights movement. I'm also aware that I picked the most trite example too, but if Jewish Hollywood can come out with a holocaust movie every few years, I hope you all can forgive me for bringing it up here (at least I didn't mention Nazis, right?)
Katrina is a wonderful example of what I'm talking about and I know that you're aware that you could view any part of written history anywhere in the world and see many prime examples of this.
I will check out the link. I'm sometimes not as eloquent as I'd like to be and perhaps this is a document which can help people understand the importance of this issue. Being a gun owner or enthusiast does not make you a nut or a bad guy by default. I hate that many people have that misconcieved notion, but I do understand where they're coming from. What they don't get in their heads is that Columbine and Northern University are anomolies. The biggest culprit about it is the mass media exposure to it and the infamous celebrity status these d-bags get with 24 hour coverage days afterwards on the cable news networks. It just begs copycats, and there are crazy people who will copycat. As a bonus, it also scares the shit out of soccermom America, hence the reason we have to have conversations like this all in the first place when this basic human right seems so simple to those of us on this side that we don't understand much of the time why it even needs defending in the first place.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Hey 6-ix
The reason I used the phrase 'nut with a gun ... in a stand-off with police' is b/c if it did make the news, that's how it would be played. The most one could hope for (as the helicopter camera high above zoomed in on the black-bagged bodies being trundled off to the ambulance) would be some kind of explanation - family problems, financial problems, emotional problems ...
I think most US people are too optimistic about too many US things. Look at Argentina for example - a well educated apparently prosperous country with a large middle class that dissolved - like cotton candy in the rain - into nothingness, literally overnight. And they don't see that freedom had been tunneled under and hollowed out until it's mostly an empty shell.
The scenario of them coming to take you would go like this - you are sleeping and they launch a fast-moving swat operation. Or you are at work and your boss calls you to his office where men in suits wait with cops at the ready. Or you are walking down the street and a car pulls up, you are punched, tasered, hustled into the car and the car drives off less than 5 seconds later. Or you are simply shot on the street. Or your family, should you have one, is kidnapped like they did in Iraq, to entice you to turn yourself in.
My answer would be to either organize politically or go elsewhere.
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Wow Rue.... 
I don't disagree that getting involved politically is a very good course of action. But I disagree very strongly with your underestimation of a populace with gun ownership.
And whoo boy... as dark as that post was, Imma beginning to wonder if you're even more paranoid than me... though I won't disagree that that is definatly how it might go down, has gone down for people in the past and will continue to be how it will go down in the future.
But if we're going to agree that we've already entered 1984 culture, then I'm afraid that neither guns or politics are going to do us any good at this point.
The only hope for any of us is the off chance that the Rapture isn't just a fable in a book of tall tales.
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Gun nut is one of many code words used by the far left. With the help of the media and anti-gun agenda by liberals its putting that in peoples brain. Other examples by neo libs Bush is hitler that is insulting because what hitler did by attacking everthing civilized, to bad we didn't have Bush back in the thirties. Neo cons are Nazis, homeless people really more like meth heads, unnaturalized citizens or just mexicans, you get it. Libs of the sixties new how important having the right to bear arms is. Real bullies nobody will stand up to but if you stand up today to defend yourself your the problem. I have always said this 90 percent sheep, 8 percent wolves, and only 2 percent sheep dogs. I wonder how many people don't want to have others think that they are bigoted. They then let their common sense leave them and become another victim. Good thread pc
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Organize ? HA!
And how would you propose that be done, eh ?
Since to do it, publicly, would result in conspiracy charges, not to mention endless surveillance, harrassment, and being flooded with agents provokateur - don't shine me, you KNOW this is a fuckin fact.
It's like I mentioned about the taser-proof windbreakers, the SMART thing is to make damn sure it never comes to that point if you can, and handing the crown jewels to a rabidly authoritarian surveillence-happy government, aided and abetted by corporations that sell you out without even a goddamn warrant or even a halfway decent reason just for a pat on the head while a puddle forms between their knocking knees at the mere asking from the Jackbooted goons...
And YES, call em fuckin Nazis, dammit, or better, the KGB..
Go on, translate Komityet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti you pissants.
What does it MEAN ?
Department of Homeland Security.
Isn't that NICE ?
And with the same powers, structure, and mission statement too, oh golly gee isn't that fucking FAMILIAR ?
AND run by the asshole who co-authored the "temporary" (ha, ha, ha, you stupid fucking suckers, I told you so!) USA PATRIOT Act well in advance of the events that proceeded it's acceptance...
Had it in hand and ready to go, in fact, with a personal history that connects him also to folks who almost without a doubt DID know in advance, and didn't bother to warn us, just sent film crews to record it happen, oh how very nice of them.
And of *course* those SWAT goons aren't afraid, thanks to collaborators, cowards and pissants, they've more or less won - you dickheads who wanna cower in fear of the fake boogeymen and hand over all of our rights outnumber folk with any sense or knowledge of history, and due to this fact it is only by pure damn rabidity that we merry few "nuts" have any hope in hell of hanging on to even the pretense of what is supposed to be a natural birthright.
And when time comes and you fucking sheep bleat and whine about how loyal you are as they drag you off to Grayling, or any of those fine, new facilities Haliburton and KBR just built, I am going to fucking laugh at you... cause you know, it's really the only comfort I have, watching you dicks sink first, since you've tied that boat anchors chain to MY ankles too.
Don't even for a split second forget how much I hate you for that, like sandpaper and salt in an open wound every time one of you ignorant, historically blind, pissant little cowards afraid of phoney boogeymen opens your mouth to whinge about how dangerous actually having rights and freedoms is.
I told you I had no intention to be nice, and I ain't gonna be - the ONLY way anything at all could even.. "theoretically" be organized in our CURRENT environment, thanks to dickheads who handed over our personal privacy FIRST, would be in secret and via means I plain won't discuss with collaborator scum, or where they are likely to hear about it, and go running like the whiny little tattletales they are to Big Daddy Gov.
Well, when Big Daddy Gov decides to extract the perverts price for that candy and pat on the head, don't expect any sympathy from this quarter.
IF those jackboots had actual reason to fear, if any officer of the law KNEW that he would be risking his life to make an arrest...
Do you really think they would waste time and effort enforcing nitpicks, or maybe, just maybe, they would actually make those arrests when the "crimes" in question are actually worth the fucking risk and trouble ?
Sooner or later, like other things mentioned, ordinary folk are going to start killing cops, people - ambush, poison, doesn't really matter how, public perception as a general rule, regardless of what comes out of folks mouths as the expected politically correct challenge and response, the fact is that the population has begun to see them as an active THREAT.
I won't go into details since the case is currently pending, but there's already been one outright attempt that left an officer wounded.
And the cops, once it become
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6-ix
"Imma beginning to wonder if you're even more paranoid than me... though I won't disagree that that is definitely how it might go down, has gone down for people in the past and will continue to be how it will go down in the future."
Well, that's how it went down in Chile, Argentina, Brazil, El Salvador ... and so on. They go for the editors and newspaper owners, priests and nuns, labor leaders, stewards (that's me) and members. At first they say they're corrupt, or seditious. Later they don't explain. These people just disappear without comment, and the neighbors - pretend to not notice. You have to also consider that many of these countries have high gun ownership rates. And. It. Didn't. Help.
FremD
"And how would you propose that (organize) be done, eh ?
Since to do it, publicly, would result in conspiracy charges, not to mention endless surveillance, harassment, and being flooded with agents provocateur - don't shine me, you KNOW this is a fuckin fact."
Well, I don't propose organizing with the intent of overthrowing the government b/c that would be sedition.
Yeah, it actually does take a lot of courage to go and protest or write a letter to the editor or your congressman(woman), knowing that you WILL end up on a list somewhere. If they can (and have) illegally traced the calls of 10% of ALL AMERICANS you know they are capable of and interested in doing everything.
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Anyone got any rapture juice ?
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I've been harping on this for quite a while and yet I can never seem to get it across. The US government - with the illegal help of most telecoms (there's a law specifically against telecoms doing this) - TRACED 10% OF ALL CALLS IN THE US.
"USA Today reported that the National Security Agency has been secretly collecting call record information on millions of Americans. A person who declined to be identified by name or affiliation described it as the largest database ever made and went on to say that the agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's border."
I keep hoping people will stop and consider the magnitude of this.
This isn't the government 'sneaking and peeking' into a few homes. This is 2 TRILLION phone calls traced and put into a database. Not international calls, as Bush said. These were set up specifically to trace calls to and from citizens within the US starting in 2001 7 months BEFORE September 11, 2001 and extending through at least 2006. This massive program was developed, implemented and hidden by the administration without FISA and without congressional knowledge or approval.
"Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered."
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Originally posted by rue:
Just b/c a nut with a gun ends up in a stand-off with police doesn't mean everyone's going to rise up and throw off the evil government - even if it makes the news.
I think many of you give our Government way to much credit. There may come a day when the Homeland Security swat teams beak down your door in the night and arrest you, but that time is far in the future. Our Government is way to arrogant and incompetent to do that now. Long before they adopt this type of strategy you will see it coming because Waco type incidents will become much more common first. Our Government doesn't want to arrest you in the night, they want to make an example out of you in the media for all to see. I think once we start seeing more public displays of force by the Government there will be plenty of time to organize to stop it. I think abut 60% of the cops and 90% of the military would be on our side and turn against the Government if it comes to this. Never underestimate the incompetence of the Government, it leads to unwarranted paranoia and fear. I'm not saying it will never happen, but our Government's arrogance will make it obvious when it does.
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I've been harping on this for quite a while and yet I can never seem to get it across. The US government - with the illegal help of most telecoms (there's a law specifically against telecoms doing this) - TRACED 10% OF ALL CALLS IN THE US.
"USA Today reported that the National Security Agency has been secretly collecting call record information on millions of Americans. A person who declined to be identified by name or affiliation described it as the largest database ever made and went on to say that the agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's border."
I keep hoping people will stop and consider the magnitude of this.
This isn't the government 'sneaking and peeking' into a few homes. This is 2 TRILLION phone calls traced and put into a database. Not international calls, as Bush said. These were set up specifically to trace calls to and from citizens within the US starting in 2001 7 months BEFORE September 11, 2001 and extending through at least 2006. This massive program was developed, implemented and hidden by the administration without FISA and without congressional knowledge or approval.
"Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered."
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Nothing better than the smell of gunpowder to turn some folks on. I guess you and crack-shot Annie come together whenever you shoot your guns off and make lots of noise.
Wow, more knee jerk generalizations. Not sure where your fascination with guns and sex comes from, but it says more about you, than it does about me.
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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Originally posted by PirateCat:
Six you don't have to go back to the German Jews, or the civil rights movement, just look at the Katrina survivors for why you need the second amendment. My sister was even packin. I have an interesting dvd on the gun issue. Its called "In Search Of The Second Amendment". You can order it and burn copies free from the producer. They want you to do that for libraries and such. Here is the link http://www.secondamendmentdocumentary.com/
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
Lets not forget the Watts riots in L.A., or similar riots and looting after the Rodney King verdict. A lot of liberal business owners learned a hard lesson. They expected the police to protect them and their businesses. The cops stayed away. Many of those very same business men, now own guns or employ armed private security, to insure it never happens again.
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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