distorted 'feminist' view of firefly

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UPDATED: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 19:08
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EMPIREX

Friday, March 28, 2008 4:20 PM

HAHAHAA! LMAO! Here, here, Kayna!

"Can you, for a moment, imagine how depressing it is to teach one thousand years of masculine ineptitude? Why do you think there are so few women historians? I'll tell you why. Because history is not such a frolic for women as it is for men... History is a commentary on the various and continuing incapabilities of men. History is women following behind with a bucket and a mop." - Alan Bennett, "The History Boys"

AVENGINGWATCHER

Friday, March 28, 2008 5:28 PM

Well, at least the good news is that she won't procreate. Personally I like the show because the women are strong...but..hey someone mentions Stephanie Miller..I love her she is such a sweetheart and really nice in person...it's too bad the station carrying here here changed to a spanish radio channel and tanked because there were no hispanics listening to it.

I loved the reply LJ post...it was so cute...:)

When there are no heroes where will we turn?

ERGASTER

Friday, March 28, 2008 6:34 PM

That was downright bizarre.

There is only one rational response...

*points* allecto *laughs hysterically*

(I'll betcha Jayne gets an essay all to himself....)

DUN

Friday, March 28, 2008 8:29 PM

being a man of few words,ok someone got out of the wrong side of the bed

EMBERS

Friday, March 28, 2008 9:53 PM

okay, I thought I've heard some reviewers before who did not understand what they saw...
but man o man...this woman is seriously twisted!

I would have taken it as a joke, except for the whole not being funny thing.

sigh

Sometimes I despair of finding intelligent life on this planet.

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

CONSTANCE

Friday, March 28, 2008 10:27 PM

Wow... I guess there really are more than one way to see things... at least she had watched the show closely, I'll give her that. But she still missed the point(s). again I say wow..

Constance

TRAVELER

Friday, March 28, 2008 11:11 PM

hello bluesuncompanyman:

Quote:
Originally posted by bluesuncompanyman:
I would like to say that my wife, herself a feminist, read this article and stopped a quarter of the way through in disgust. Her comment to me was that the author is in no way in touch with true empowerment and is simply just someone who wants to be angry for the sake of being angry.

Do not fear me. Our's is a peaceful race and we must live in harmony.

Your wife makes a good point. This person does this deliberately. She just wants attention and this give it to her. People, like her, will pick an insane stance and defend it with twisted ideas just to get people riled up. I am sure she gets pleasure out of it. A true sadist. Anyone who would attempt to debate her would only feed her ego. She cares little about the truth. That gets her nowhere. She must be fun to live with.

http://www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=28764731
Traveler

CITIZEN

Friday, March 28, 2008 11:13 PM

Define irony:
A misandrist declaring the vilification of all members of one sex wrong.

In reference to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it is replete with examples of strong female characters, from the literally physically strongest leader and 'hero' of the story Buffy, to the indisputably most intelligent character Willow. In contrast the men are portrayed as flawed, bumbling buffoons, who spend most of their time being rescued by the previously mentioned females. In a lot of ways its a 1950's vampire B movie turned on its head. In that respect there could be an argument for it not being feminist, because its arguably past feminism and into the realms of misandry.

Of course to someone who sees Buffy the Vampire Slayer as non-feminist, FireFly is going to feel like borderline misogyny. It does after all, show strong male characters along side the strong female one's, *gasp*! The problem with FireFly is its setting, its placed in a 'space western' universe, it's explained rather better than I can in Finding Serenity by Jane Espenson, but essentially the Western is very much a genre hinging on old fashioned chivalry, which somewhat hamstrings the feminist, or rather 'equality of the sexes' message, at any rate its old ground.

It does seem to be a lazy analysis to me, not because a lot of time or energy hasn't been spent on it, but because no insight has been gained, no actual analysis has taken place. The author has rather obviously approached the subject wishing to prove what they already knew, that Joss Whedon isn't a feminist, of course how could he, a man, be. All this article really shows is confirmation bias as it pertains to bigotry: replace men with Jew and you've got something written by Heinrich Himmler.

Which is really the point. She plays lip service to empowering women, but really she wants to oppress them as much as she wishes to oppress men. Reading the comments it's clear that she considers that all Women are really Lesbians, forced into heterosexual relationships by men, who, as we also find out, are all rapists. Apparently any male initiated sexual act, even consensual, is rape. She's not after empowerment of women, she's after homogenisation of women, all women have to be just like her. Basically what it's about is forcing the correct choices on Women, this might sound like the same thing as a oppressive patriarchy, but it's not because they're the correct choices, see.

Feminism is, apparently all about preventing women from making their own choices, being that women can't be trusted to do so. This from a real feminist?

Feminism is not misandry, it is not an outward hatred of all men, it is not openly bigoted statements like "I really am beyond worried about how much men hate us" (if anyone has a problem with my statement that, that is bigoted, I'd ask when it was they asked all men how they feel about women), and it is most certainly not a belief that women can't be trusted to make their own decisions. Its a terrible shame that the nobility of feminism is increasingly being co-opted by those who wish to oppress men rather than gain equality for women, and in that respect feminism has failed. Feminism aimed to stop men from objectifying women, but the strip clubs remain open, but in true equality women are now encouraged to, and do, objectify men in the same manner. Feminism aimed to eradicate misogyny, and has certainly succeeded in reducing it and rightfully vilifying it, but in return there has been a meteoric rise in misandry, women seeing men in the way misogynists see women. Perhaps the most disturbing facet of that is how misandry isn't also vilified, but almost encouraged and lauded openly in some circles. Feminism's success in getting women to ape some of the behaviours of men, that it was aiming to eliminate, has certainly lead to a form of equality, if a rather dystopic one.

It is, nonetheless an interesting critique on the Human condition, I weep for the species.

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!

EMBERS

Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:02 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Define irony:
A misandrist declaring the vilification of all members of one sex wrong.

In reference to Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it is replete with examples of strong female characters, from the literally physically strongest leader and 'hero' of the story Buffy, to the indisputably most intelligent character Willow. In contrast the men are portrayed as flawed, bumbling buffoons, who spend most of their time being rescued by the previously mentioned females. In a lot of ways its a 1950's vampire B movie turned on its head. In that respect there could be an argument for it not being feminist, because its arguably past feminism and into the realms of misandry.

Oh Citizen, I think you are going a little too far in the other direction! I mean of course Buffy does all the hero/champion stuff since it is her show...
but no one can deny that Xander is one of the kindest and most loyal of men,
and that Giles is brilliant, they are both people I would want in my life... which wouldn't be true if they were only bumbling buffoons.

It is true that there have been more evil men on Buffy: The Master, the Mayor, Warren, and Caleb...
but there WERE some evil women (personally I found Maggie Walsh scarier than Glorificus, but that is just me).

New Firefly fans should check this out: http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=2&t=15816

JRC

Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:09 AM

Someone made a comment asking if she was going to analyze "Objects In Space". This is her reply:

"Yes, I plan to. I found Objects in Space to be horrifically racist. I can't believe that Joss was allowed to air a show that had such a terrible portrayal of Black men. I also found the portrayal of the Black man in the movie Serenity to be pretty horrifying too."

It's also quite funny how she has replied to only a select few people.

Everyone dies alone.

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