Kevin Smith vs. Joss Whedon

POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 20:46
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I don't know much about Kevin Smith outside Dogma, but I bet he's got some interesting stuff to say about the business and how he's dealt with the BS. I can only imagine how tough it is for writers like him and Joss to get their stuff out, given how far they are from mainstream.

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I would recommend the two Evenings With Kevin Smith. Basically a Q&A with the main man. They are wickedly funny, and he offers a lot of insight into how his movies got made and how things came about, amongst other things. He does it in an honest way (the Prince story is hilarious) and the guy certainly does love to talk.

It's a pity that Joss hasn't done anything like this. To hear his thoughts along with his humourous ways of telling stories would be fantastic.



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Well, I'm definitely emboldened to write this due to the debate we've been having here.

I hope I can get this much reaction when I debate the "sexist" criticisms of KNOCKED UP.

And YES!!! Finally something we can agree on. WE BOTH LIKE HEROES!!!

As per The Fishers, I think it's because they're so individually screwed up and fight and argue, like any other family, that I like them that much. It's not like The Camdens where it's a decade of shiny happy people who keep reproducing like rabbits, or like the Bluths where the deception and backstabbing is so rotten to the core that you're with Michael in that you're glad to see him and George Michael leave. Even when confronted with all this sadness and tragedy and nihilism, that there is still a basic connection of love between them. You look at the finale, and watch how they all manage to pull themselves out of their grieving and to move forward with their lives. It's so cathartic and moving. How can you NOT be touched by that?

Since you're into fanfic and canon, could you take a look at YOU CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN? Specifically the last four chapters? It's kind of what I always wanted to see in a FIREFLY fanfic and my take on the Tams and how they're more tragically dimensional then the usual Whedon parents=bad equation.

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lwaves - these Kevin Smith things are on DVD?

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Since you're into fanfic and canon, could you take a look at YOU CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN? Specifically the last four chapters? It's kind of what I always wanted to see in a FIREFLY fanfic and my take on the Tams and how they're more tragically dimensional then the usual Whedon parents=bad equation.

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You don't know what you ask LOL! I really am overly critical and biased against family type fics, so I'm not likely to do your work justice. I've looked at your postings before, and I think you write quite well, but there's like... married S/K and pregnant Kaylee and that's just not stuff I'm into. Reference: me biased.

I agree about your take on the elder Tams - I don't see them as completely evil and self serving. I don't think they sold out their kids just for the hell of it, or for money or whatever. I like to think they honestly believed they were doing their children good. So there could be some sort of reconnection for Simon and River. Thing is, family bonding fic just doesn't turn my crank.

(I'll probably read through it tonight anyway, since you ask!)

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Yes, the Evening with Kevin Smith's are on DVD and that there's a third one being planned that has the Q&A he did on his 37th birthday in Red Bank with footage of the birthday prom they did. But that probably won't be out until ZACK AND MIRI MAKE A PORNO hit's DVD, which will probably be way into next year.

As for Joss doing something similar to that, I agree that it would be funny and cool for him to tell funny stories and to give his insights to a mass audience. But I think that it actually might not be as enjoyable. If you compare the commentary tracks that the two give, Joss seems a bit more scholarly and esoteric, as opposed to Kevin who gives great insight, but is much more candid and filthy. Kevin's more down to earth and willing to take a shot at himself before anyone else. He's like a best friend that you can hang out with and talk about random shit, like he does with Scott on the SModcasts. Joss doesn't seem to have a self-deprecating type sense of humor. I don't think he'd tell a story about his kids walking in on him and his wife while they're having sex or how his wife inadvertently sliced his cock open the first time they had sex, or any kind of stories like that.

As per YCGHA, not to spoil it, but in terms of families reconciling, they only come together once, and then are split again almost irrevocably.

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"And it starts with a sentence that might last a lifetime, or it all might just go down in flames. If I let you know me, then why would you want me? Each day I don't is a shame. Each day I don't is a great shame."

Loudon Wainwright III - "Strange Weirdos" off the "Knocked Up" soundtrack

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Makes me wonder why any of this matters? It's all science fiction/fiction anyway. One's an atheist with a female "ass-kicking" fetish (which isn't based on reality or facts), who champions the gay agenda. The other has religious beliefs. I'm sure that outside of Firefly&Serenity that I would not care anything about Whedon. I'm not a Whedon cultist. Love his BDS&BDM, but not going to ponder the "riddles of the universe and his place in it". Realife issues are important. Analyzing Sci-Fi is for the uber-(reality challenged) nerd with bad interpersonal skills. AKS The midget in the basement in "Benchwarmers"

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schooling"

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While that could have been phrased a little better; I have to agree with most of that. Especially the part about not caring for Whedon outside Firefly.

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Originally posted by Tankobite:
While that could have been phrased a little better; I have to agree with most of that. Especially the part about not caring for Whedon outside Firefly.

-Sorry I wrote that like I was pitching the argument. I thank you for your honesty. Seems there are two types of Browncoats. Fans of the show/movie and they end it at that. The other type are the ones that any blasphemy towards Joss is catamount to treason! AKA The Independent recreators who play dress up, and confirm the "uber-nerd in Mom's basement" (Mom leave me alone! I'm roleplaying here!) sterotype.

"And I'm thinking you weren't
burdened with an overabundance of
schooling"

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