You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, March 31, 2008 01:30
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Holy crap, a preacher who's racist? No friggin way!!! Just an fyi anyone who goes to the same church and then goes into politics was zoned out during the sermons...like most church goers...the book isn't that long and it's been around for most of recorded history...That being said some points of clarification, Jesus the person most definitely existed, I'm not a christian but it has been well documented the man existed. Please try to give us posts that are NOT from an easily editable source like wikipedia, since they poster can't even spell barack obama correctly(yes I know I typing in all lowercase, I'm lazy) going on...the guy's a racist...so what...that doesn't mean obama hate whitey any more than bush not showing up for duty when he was in the guard, or lying to the american public or violating the constitution regularly...you know, actual issues... chickens coming hoem to roost? what were these ministers hungry? there's a racist joke in there ooh maybe I'm a racist, but hey I can say whatever I'd like because we have protected speech...or is it only if we agree with the speech? hate speech is dumb in general but there are asses on all sides of the issue...are there problems with black culture in america right now? you bet..it's in serious need of some leadership and role models...look up the numbers if you think i'm being racist... but again, that being said look at barack's record and if you find his actions have been racist then make your opinion on that, not some ass clown preacher who has a habit of hatred... browncoat power!!
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Auraptor:
As to the posted question, "You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright???"
Yeah, I'd like to. Unfortunately, your posting doesn't tell me a damn thing about him, except that he's apparently read books written by someone else that may (or may not) have had an influence on his personal theology.
Oh, wow. What a shocker, that a religious black man growing up in the civil rights era might look to sources and viewpoints within the black community. Tomorrow's headline: "Teenagers interested in sex." That's just about as surprising.
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Quote:If any of these people are influential in the candidates opinions then maybe they should be considered. But I don’t form a commitment with my church that supersedes the opinions that church espouses the way I might form a commitment with my parents or my spouse. I’m not going to leave my wife because I discover after marrying her that she holds opinions that I find reprehensible, because I’ve formed a commitment with her that should supersede differences of political opinion. On the other hand, I’m not going to attend a church for 20 years that espouses hatred unless I have some reason to agree with that hatred. As far as staff members, contributors or former employers go - in most cases - there are reasons why a person my stay with these people despite political or social opinion, but I can see little reason for attending a church for 20 years that espouses an opinion I found reprehensible. It’s just not the same thing.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Well, let me put it this way: Would you look closely at a candidates spouse? Parents? Former employers? Contributors? Staff members? Lobbyists?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Hardly the neutral analogy you propose he offered us.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
But back to Finn. You don't have to put words in his mouth because he speaks for himself. Back in the WTF? People on here voted that Bush should be prez in '04?! thread he said:Quote:(Slam against those of us who take it seriously.) It’s full of conversations and ideas that are more fanciful and unrealistic then probably any discussion anywhere else on the board. (Surely Finn is not including himself as the author of any such conversations and ideas.) The fact that there is no moderation means that real debate is buried under dishonesty and personal attacks and crazy paranoid delusions.(All presumably from people Finn doesn't like, people not Finn--and begs the question, "Why does he waste his time?") But it creates a reservoir into which all the crap goes. Like a filtration system in a pool, it attracts all the those people(aka: "all the crap" referenced in the previous sentence) and all that discussion that would otherwise foul the waters and eventually ruin the board completely. By keeping all the Bush-haters, for instance, (Exactly!) in this little room, discussion in the other boards can continue without that destabilizing influence...(...of people other than Finn, of course.)
RWED is largely a joke.
So the problem that you have is not with the “scum trap” argument, but that I framed it from my point of view. The problem that you have is that I disagree with the Bush-hater position, and that was enough to cause you to become blind to any argument I made. Essentially you are doing exactly what you accused me of:
Quote:Your contempt for those you disagree with blinds you beyond reach of the simplest arguments. You’re just full of hypocrisy today, aren’t you?
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
You missed the effing point, you ugly minded jackass. I don't consider the RWED to be a scum trap. You do. Your blanket contempt for those who disagree with you blinds you beyond reach of even the simplest irony from me.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Look Finn, it's very obvious to everyone- except maybe you!- that anyone who disagrees with you is "scum". So. Whatever. You might convince yourself that's not what you "meant" or how it "should" be interpreted but most people here get what you said quite clearly.
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Originally posted by RocketJock:
Auraptor:
As to the posted question, "You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright???"
Yeah, I'd like to. Unfortunately, your posting doesn't tell me a damn thing about him, except that he's apparently read books written by someone else that may (or may not) have had an influence on his personal theology.
Oh, wow. What a shocker, that a religious black man growing up in the civil rights era might look to sources and viewpoints within the black community. Tomorrow's headline: "Teenagers interested in sex." That's just about as surprising.
Rocket, maybe if you took the time to read what is posted, you'd understand more.
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James Cone was the first person to create a systematic Black theology. He felt that Black Christians in Northern America should not follow the "white Church", as it had failed to support them in their struggle for equal rights. Though this theme runs throughout Cone's work, his early books (Black Theology and Black Power and A Black Theology of Liberation) draw heavily on mainstream white theologians like Karl Barth (on whom Cone had written his doctoral thesis) and Paul Tillich.
As it states right in the post , Cone indeed was a strong influence on Rev. Wright's teachings. There's no speculation as to whether he influence the Rev. Wright or not. There's no ambiguity what so ever. It's Cone who comes up w/ this separatists view of Christianity, aka " The Black Theology of Liberation "
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Some of Cones quotes have drawn controversy. Barak Obama's former minister Jeremiah Wright was inspired by Cone. Although Obama has condemned some of most controversial statements of Wright as needlessly divisive and distorted, Wright's ministry is founded on the black theology that Cone helped to create
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Quote:Yes, I think most people did get what I meant. BDN obviously understand it quite clearly, so what is your problem? I think there are two problems here. First I think you prefer to think that I was calling everyone “scum,” because you want cause to attack me sometime in future. Just as HK did today. Instead of debating the issue he chose to attack me using as his cause the spurious presumption that I was calling him and every else “scum.” The second reason is that you don’t really like that I used as my example the Bush-hater argument since you‘re guilty of it. But the Bush-hater argument is a perfect example of a scum argument that gets trapped by the RWED board. So yes, I think you’re right that everyone understood what I meant, but some of you will choose to misinterpret it for argumentative reason. If there’s anything you and HK don’t get about the “scum trap” point, it is that you continue to prove the point.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Look Finn, it's very obvious to everyone- except maybe you!- that anyone who disagrees with you is "scum". So. Whatever. You might convince yourself that's not what you "meant" or how it "should" be interpreted but most people here get what you said quite clearly.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:Yes, I think most people did get what I meant.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Look Finn, it's very obvious to everyone- except maybe you!- that anyone who disagrees with you is "scum". So. Whatever. You might convince yourself that's not what you "meant" or how it "should" be interpreted but most people here get what you said quite clearly.
It was oblivious to me what you meant by "scum trap" and I'm just glad to be in the company of scum of the quality found in the RWED. People who are looking for something to be offended by will find somthing regardless. I think there must be some past history I missed that makes some so sensitive. Your posts always seem reasonable and appropriately respectful to me.
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Irrespective of intended meaning, it remains an unfortunate choice of words.
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this whole situation would be irrelevant today, had Obama just been upfront from the beginning, and actually told us, himself, what he believes in. God forbid someone in the media ask him such a specific question as to avoid any ambiguity, but i digress...
i suppose i dont expect anymore from a liberal, unless its politically expedient of course
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