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You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:15 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???


Well, since you asked...

NO

Rev Wright isn't running for office.

And if you really want to know what Obama thinks (very doubtful) why don't you listen to him yourself?









I hope this thread dies the ignominious death it deserves.





Barack's after the fact comments are of no value what so ever. Its like Clinton trying to explain ,after he pleasured himself w/ an intern, that no such encounters ever happened. No matter how flowery the speech afterwards, he still did not distance himself from the man who thinks these things, who preached these things for over 20 yrs, and remains unrepentant to his fact challenged and hate filled diatribes he caslls 'sermons'.

I guess I'm not as gullible as so many on here who would rather see the whole affair go away. The only thing which deserves a ignominious end is Obama's campaign, and I truly hope this issue helps that along quickly.

It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:06 AM

Auraptor, aside of your Kevin Bacon game with Barrack and Cone via a church connecting reverend WRight, you've failed to even bother to try to articulare how telling us about Cone has anythihng to do with Wright, and your leap from Cone to Obama is even more stunningly short of clearing that chasm.

Dude, what is your point?

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:23 AM

So McCain's preacher friend Hagee can say the Catholic Church is a "great whore" and that gays are the reason God brought Katrina to bear on New Orleans, but since you ain't Catholic and you ain't gay, who cares, right?

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Given my background, my politics, and my professed values and ideals, there will no doubt be those for whom my statements of condemnation are not enough. Why associate myself with Reverend Wright in the first place, they may ask? Why not join another church? And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way

But the truth is, that isn't all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor. He is a man who served his country as a U.S. Marine; who has studied and lectured at some of the finest universities and seminaries in the country, and who for over thirty years led a church that serves the community by doing God's work here on Earth - by housing the homeless, ministering to the needy, providing day care services and scholarships and prison ministries, and reaching out to those suffering from HIV/AIDS.

In my first book, Dreams From My Father, I described the experience of my first service at Trinity:

"People began to shout, to rise from their seats and clap and cry out, a forceful wind carrying the reverend's voice up into the rafters….And in that single note - hope! - I heard something else; at the foot of that cross, inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion's den, Ezekiel's field of dry bones. Those stories - of survival, and freedom, and hope - became our story, my story; the blood that had spilled was our blood, the tears our tears; until this black church, on this bright day, seemed once more a vessel carrying the story of a people into future generations and into a larger world. Our trials and triumphs became at once unique and universal, black and more than black; in chronicling our journey, the stories and songs gave us a means to reclaim memories that we didn't need to feel shame about…memories that all people might study and cherish - and with which we could start to rebuild."

That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:15 AM

You know, this is idiotic, both on the face of it and in complexity.

My stock response to being snarked at for being a honky applies here, I think.

"Look, I never did shit to you, you ain't never done shit to me, so why start somethin over nothin ?"

If folks looked at other people as individual human beings, this bullshit wouldn't even be an issue in the first place, ever.

-F

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:29 PM

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I guess you are able to be so liberal and carefree that if he had lunch with Bin Laden a few times that'd be swell too...?


Well... maybe if he'd had lunch with Saddam - you know, like Rumsfeld did. Go ahead, say it never happened, and that the pictures lie... :)



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:34 PM

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...and of course...God Damn America. What a nice thing to say in a church...especially a church with a US Senator & his children sitting in it...


Except, of course, that Obama WASN'T there when that "sermon" was given. It's already been investigated and proven that he was in Florida when that went down. Even Bill Cristol (the neo-con hack, not the comedian) had to publish a retraction on that one.

Do I have problems with Wright, and with Obama having him as his pastor? You bet I do. But I have problems with ALL the candidates and their "religious advisors". If you're secure in your belief system, you really don't need someone to tell you what you believe, do you?

McCain has TWO whacko religious zealots on his payroll, and you've heard nary a peep about it. Hillary has some certifiable nut-jobs giving her religious "advice", but you don't hear about that, either.

To me, they're all about equally screwed.



Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:02 PM

You know, I don't think I've ever been touchy about racism in the past, but I'm hearing more and more of these stories going around, and to my ear they sound like bedtime stories for people who don't want to face their own racial bigotry.

A friend of my mom's was telling me that there's a real danger that Obama could be a "plant". I pressed the issue and she said outright that she thought he could be in some kind of terrorist sleeper cell or something. She's old, but otherwise sane and intelligent. But she is a bit of a racist, by today's standards, and I think latching on to these kinds of stories gives her "cover".

I'm hearing this same kind of crap from all kinds of sources too. Most of them are perpetuated by older, whiter, people, but it's not just them.

Until a couple of months ago, I'd have really resisted the notion that this election will be any kind of referendum on racism. But I'm beginning to think that in its own subtle way, it very much will be.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:22 PM

Rev. Wright is a good example of the extreme racism that exists in the US. A racism that exists predominately among African-Americans, at least some. Unfortunately, there is a double standard when it comes to racism in the US. An outright racist like Rev. Wright gets defended for his racist statements for being black. But a white person, like say someone in the KKK, would be despised for his racist views. Quite frankly, I have no stomach for racism and I won’t give Rev. Wright a pass because he’s black. He is as big racist as anyone in the KKK, and his association with Obama is a huge stain on Obama’s campaign. Now I never had any intention of voting for Obama, but if I had been, this would make me rethink whether Obama is really fit to be the President of the US.



Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:36 PM

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He is as big racist as anyone in the KKK, and his association with Obama is a huge stain on Obama’s campaign.


Finn, my hat's off to you. While we may disagree, sometimes vehemently, on most political matters, I think you've summed this issue up more succinctly than anyone I've yet discussed it with.

I *DO* have a problem with Wright, and by association with Obama - but then again, I have a problem with pretty much any religious person, since it's hard to have a heart-to-heart talk with someone whom you feel to be rather insane, believing in fairy tales and such...

Obama has pretty much had my vote to lose since early in the campaign. Crap like Wright's "God DAMN America!" diatribe don't do a thing for people like me. It doesn't make me want to vote for Obama, and it doesn't make me really want to vote AGAINST him, either; it just makes me want to stay home on Election Day. :(

Mostly, though, it makes me want the grab Wright by the scruff of his neck, shake him - HARD - and scream "What the fuck were you THINKING?! YOU'RE NOT HELPING!!"





Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence[sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

I can't help the sinking feeling that my country is now being run by people who read "1984" not as a cautionary tale, but rather as an instruction manual. - Michael Mock

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Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:37 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Rev. Wright is a good example of the extreme racism that exists in the US. A racism that exists predominately among African-Americans, at least some. Unfortunately, there is a double standard when it comes to racism in the US. An outright racist like Rev. Wright gets defended for his racist statements for being black. But a white person, like say someone in the KKK, would be despised for his racist views. Quite frankly, I have no stomach for racism and I won’t give Rev. Wright a pass because he’s black. He is as big racist as anyone in the KKK, and his association with Obama is a huge stain on Obama’s campaign. Now I never had any intention of voting for Obama, but if I had been, this would make me rethink whether Obama is really fit to be the President of the US.

-- Cicero


Well you're right...Obama is not really fit anymore...His judgement is pathetic and he is a hypocrite racist himself :

When Imus uttered that phrase NHH Obama & Jesse Jackson immediately demanded that he be fired. They did NOT want to hear about the millions he'd given to charity, or his ranch for poor kids....they didn't want to know anything except that Imus would be gone. But NOW...Obama & Jackson want us all to look at ALL of Rev Wright's history, not just the you tube rants. And that my friends is total bullshit hypocricy! Truth is I don't care about Wright's vile racism. I care about his virulent anti-Americanism...his hatred of the country he lives in..and for Obama to equate his hatred of America to race is also total bullshit. Obama is toast, so are the Dems as they are stuck with him.

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