You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, March 31, 2008 01:30
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Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
You wanna listen to a REAL racist black man??? Try and sit through this:
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
How is that racist?
Attacking Obama because his mother is white sounds pretty racist to me.
Of course HK’s statement that this is a “REAL racist black man,” as if somehow Rev. Wright is not, is pretty silly.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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auraptor, at any point did you think the effort should be made to make Bush renounce his dead grandfather for being a Nazi sympathiser?
You're right, that man being his relative doesn't make Dubya a faccist, any more than Obama going to Wright's church makes him a racist.
The argument against that of course, is that well, Dubya is a fascist, so maybe the connection applies, but I don't think you want to go that way, and you've said you don't believe him to be a fascist, presumably because you haven't looked up the word lately...
but what Sygm was pointing out is that the conflation you attempted to apply to Obama and Cone would be applicable and fair to apply to the Bush family, if such a thing is ever fair. You chose to ignore that angle, and no surprise.
I wish that once in a while, you'd go after the things you think are the strongest points in a person's post, rather than to ignore those in favor of latching on to throw-away lines in an effort to debunk the poster.
to be fair, you probably aren't alone in that, and maybe I"m guilty sometimes, but I certainly try not to be. It's just a little tiring to always have to redirect a person to an original point that was obvious, frankly.
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Jongsstraw- The ONLY way out for Obama to keep his candidacy even remotely viable is to just come out and say that Rev Wright is INSANE. Nothing less will work, and even that probably won't prevent his total collapse of support.
i almost despise this 'renouncing' bs... why not fess up to what you believe, if you firmly believe anything, and confront the consequences? to me, its more important we know the truth, whatever it is, then whether Obama even agrees with rev. Wright. i dont want press corrections and phony apologies and renouncements. tell us the truth, so we can make a decision.. but i resent the ambiguity. i believe in fallen angels and this 'grand' conspiracy.. but i will always tell it like i see it, popular or not
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
How is that racist? A bit daft, maybe, but there's some truth to it.
Um, okay, telling us that Obama is trash because his black "in-heat" father went with a trashy white woman, that Obama's character is disgraceful based on his being the product of what folk used to call "miscegenation" is purely, and utterly racist, while (and, y'know, I know this is gonna get some folk riled) the Rev. Wright's attacks on white America are really a mix of racist rhetoric and classist arguments. There are white people who have criticized our government every bit as vehemently as Rev. Wright, even on this board. Dr. Paul (rumored to be a white racist, interestingly enough) has spoken of America's "chickens coming home to roost." But Wright is not a white man, and as Obama points out in his speech, Rev. Wright belongs to a generation of black people that suffered through the era before civil-rights and to some extent are still stuck in that world.
It is apparently very difficult for a lot of white people in this country to understand what segregation felt like, and what the assumption of white cultural supremacy has done and continues to do to this day; or that white culture has been racist even though many individuals within that culture have not. Sadly, many blacks, like Rev. Wright, fail to realize that the "rich white men" in power haven't been too generous to us poor white folk either. We have in this country, perhaps more than in any other country on earth, an ethos that states that the poor are poor because they are weak, stupid, and lazy and the rich are all rich by virtue of their zeal, ambition, intelligence and plain good character. We white Americans deny class distinction (most black people live it), we deny discrimination (most black people live or have lived it), we deny that the powerful exploit the weak (ditto) or that our government has ever done anything on the world stage for less than the most humanitarian reasons.
Interestingly--though only a couple of the clips of Wright's speeches I've seen have their dates showing--interestingly they all seem to be speeches he's made after 9/11. Pretty recent. And unless he has only three suits in his wardrobe, these clips are coming from only a handful of sermons.
Hrm.
I don't know about you, but I've noticed A LOT of otherwise reasonable people say some pretty bat-shit crazy things since 9/11. A close friend of mine of some 15 years went so far as advocating that we nuke Mecca. A close up friend of MINE! Can ya believe it?
Did I disown him? Did I denounce him where he stood and tell everyone I know that he was a psychotic pseudo-neo-neo-con? Uh, no. I was pretty shocked, told him so, mentioned it to one or two of our mutual friends in a "I'm kinda worried about Bill lately" way and we kinda left it like that until a few years later he apologized, explaining that he'd "gone a little crazy" after 9/11 happened. Like a lot of us.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:So it’s okay to be a racist as long as you’re supporting a Democrat, but if you’re not supporting a Democrat, you’re just “utterly racist.” Got it.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
How is that racist? A bit daft, maybe, but there's some truth to it.
Um, okay, telling us that Obama is trash because his black "in-heat" father went with a trashy white woman, that Obama's character is disgraceful based on his being the product of what folk used to call "miscegenation" is purely, and utterly racist, while (and, y'know, I know this is gonna get some folk riled) the Rev. Wright's attacks on white America are really a mix of racist rhetoric and classist arguments. There are white people who have criticized our government every bit as vehemently as Rev. Wright, even on this board. Dr. Paul (rumored to be a white racist, interestingly enough) has spoken of America's "chickens coming home to roost." But Wright is not a white man, and as Obama points out in his speech, Rev. Wright belongs to a generation of black people that suffered through the era before civil-rights and to some extent are still stuck in that world.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So it’s okay to be a racist as long as you’re supporting a Democrat, but if you’re not supporting a Democrat, you’re just “utterly racist.” Got it.
Hey Finn,
Glad to see you're still finding amuzement twirling your finger in the scum trap. I wish I had so much time on my hands that I could waste it the way you do.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:You spend as much if not more time here then I do, I'm pretty sure.
Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Glad to see you're still finding amuzement twirling your finger in the scum trap. I wish I had so much time on my hands that I could waste it the way you do.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Originally posted by antimason:Quote:
Jongsstraw- The ONLY way out for Obama to keep his candidacy even remotely viable is to just come out and say that Rev Wright is INSANE. Nothing less will work, and even that probably won't prevent his total collapse of support.
i almost despise this 'renouncing' bs... why not fess up to what you believe, if you firmly believe anything, and confront the consequences? to me, its more important we know the truth, whatever it is, then whether Obama even agrees with rev. Wright. i dont want press corrections and phony apologies and renouncements. tell us the truth, so we can make a decision.. but i resent the ambiguity. i believe in fallen angels and this 'grand' conspiracy.. but i will always tell it like i see it, popular or not
The Rev Wright issue will go away in time, but Obama has really not helped himself through this, mainly for the sentiment you just wrote about. Rather than separate himself clearly from the Rev, he chose to offer moral equivalenices citing his grandmother and Geraldine Ferraro...pretty lame in my opinion. He also has to answer for his actions during the Imus "lynching", and how or why that is any different from the Rev. As I said before, I really don't care or even believe the "race" element here. I believe it was used by Obama to somehow try to equate the Rev's viscious anti-Americanism with old-time systemic racism, which really does not exist in America anymore. Yes there are individuals who are racists, and even organizations which are racist, but the USA now has laws on the books to protect all minorities in every aspect of life....jobs, housing and civil rights. The fringe Left is all to quick to brand people racists, yet they offer spins and dancing surrounding this Rev and Obama.
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Quote:Hey Finn, you so totally missed the point it's beyond funny.
Just because people like Signym don’t agree with his policies doesn’t make him a fascist. In order for Bush to be a fascist he must meet this definition regardless of how popular opinion views him.
Justsayin'isall.
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Quote:No. I didn’t miss your point at all. I was simply responding to Kwicko’s post.
Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Hey Finn, you so totally missed the point it's beyond funny.
Just because people like Signym don’t agree with his policies doesn’t make him a fascist. In order for Bush to be a fascist he must meet this definition regardless of how popular opinion views him.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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