You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Monday, March 31, 2008 01:30
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Quote:Dead serious. And what's all this talk about " use to " ? Obama still attends or is a member of Trinity United Church of Christ. And technically speaking , Rev Wright keeps being described as " retired' . He was set to retire " officially " from the church at the end of the month, March 31st. Since all this fuss exploded, he's shipped himself off to Africa, on "sabbatical " , away from prying reporters.
Originally posted by canttakesky:
What? This is what we've come to? Where a candidate might lose support because he USED to attend a church whose minister found Cone's theology inspirational? Are you serious?
Quote:That's not that far from literal biblical teaching. A bit kooky by today's standards, I'll admit, but it's a far cry from insisting Jesus being 'black', as if his color was the important part of his message. Or saying that God has to be black, or that blacks should reject his love. THAT's far and away more extreme than the sexist tripe of which you speak.
I used to attend a church where they taught women were beneath men, and can't even hold enough authority over boys to teach Sunday school. I went there cause they had really good music. Then I slowly became aware of the creepy sexism and left. Does that mean on this point alone, running for office is ruled out for me?
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Candidates should be judged on what they believe today, not for what their former ministers used to think. Good grief.
I swear, where are you getting this "former minister" line from ? Sounds like a line from some talking points pamphlet. Rev Wright has been Obama's minister for over 20 yrs, a family friend and religious mentor. For all intents and purposes, he's STILL his minister. You try to act as if he's not been around since Barack was a little boy. Nice try , but that's simply not the case.
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Obama's got his wacky pastor. McCain's got 2 (and even had to pull a flip-flop to put them there).
And this has what to do with their ability to lead??
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Hero, I'm saying you guys are ever diligent in your pursuit of the black racist. I'm saying I'm not unsympathetic to a minority that, feeling they were abused has a certain hatred for those they think of as their abusers. That doesn't mean I take responsibility for everything that has ever happened to them, or that I think whites are any different than blacks...everybody is capable of inflicting pain and marginalizing people...
I'm just saying the reasons are right on the fucking radar, and trying to push down the feelings of the recently oppressed who frankly have not been fully delivered from a lesser place in our society, is not part of the healing process.
Heh, I'm saying I'm not as fucking sensitive as you pantywaists, and when somebody who is not in a position of power over me is preaching that I am the white devil, I don't lock my doors and bar my windows, and pray to holy spirit "please don't let the angry black man get to me".
but I'm also saying the founder of the church does not equate to the current pastor, which seems to be auraptor's effort. Do we really want to look back on the history of catholicism so that we can call catholics inquisitionists? Do we want to call all churches birthed out of puritanism fundamentalist?(maybe some of them sure...but)
If those things that Jong pointed out have been said by the Reverend Wright, and he has not grown beyond them himself to denounce them, then perhaps he hasn't spiritually evolved enough that he should be leading men and women to some place spiritual themselves.
But I find the vitriol towards him and people like him amusing, especially since the likelihood of anybody posting something like this to be listing the horrible preachings of Falwel or Dobson almost nil, even while the both of them have been so closely associated with party politics for so long.
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As for Obama, w're getting pretty fucking far removed from anything relevant to him or his own sense of the world. Pinning the shit Auraptor is trying to on Obama is pretty shameful.
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Auraptor, are yo offended by the idea of a black Jesus? Is that really that offensive?....
are you also saying that at one point the reverend said that god was black and that at another he said blacks should reject his love?
Heh? well at least that isn't racist.
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670,000 Americans died fighting over the freedom of black people that debt to blacks for slavery has been paid. I know all about state rights issue. Well the rev needs to join the party instead of dividing it. If baby Jesus is black then that explains when Herod was killing babies that Jesus blended in when hiding from him in the Sudan. I think thats in the bible.
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Auraptor, are yo offended by the idea of a black Jesus? Is that really that offensive?....
are you also saying that at one point the reverend said that god was black and that at another he said blacks should reject his love?
Heh? well at least that isn't racist.
Assuming Jesus ever existed, saying he was 'black' is more silly than anything. Really.
And I'm not 'saying' anything. I just posted what this James H. Cone character said, so don't confuse the issue by interjecting ME into what they think and preach. Got a problem w/ their whacky views ? Fine. But don't ask if *I* think it's racist or what ever. It is what it is.
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
What? This is what we've come to? Where a candidate might lose support because he USED to attend a church whose minister found Cone's theology inspirational? Are you serious?
I used to attend a church where they taught women were beneath men, and can't even hold enough authority over boys to teach Sunday school. I went there cause they had really good music. Then I slowly became aware of the creepy sexism and left. Does that mean on this point alone, running for office is ruled out for me?
Candidates should be judged on what they believe today, not for what their former ministers used to think. Good grief.
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Oh...your response is a nice dance. A man running for President is judged by his decisions and relationships and good judgement. I guess you are able to be so liberal and carefree that if he had lunch with Bin Laden a few times that'd be swell too...? 20 years with that maniac fucking racist asshole preacher of hatred and divisiveness & utter paranoid delusions & the Obamas sat there and smiled?,...that means a lot to the vast majority of Americans.
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Originally posted by Riverlove:
...20 years with that maniac fucking racist asshole preacher of hatred and divisiveness & utter paranoid delusions & the Obamas sat there and smiled?,...that means a lot to the vast majority of Americans.
Well, it would, if that's what happened.
Any of you listen to Obama's version of what happened in his speech yesterday?
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Eh, that's what happens why you try to edit on the fly.
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You wanna meet the REAL Rev. Wright ???
Well, since you asked...
NO
Rev Wright isn't running for office.
And if you really want to know what Obama thinks (very doubtful) why don't you listen to him yourself?
I hope this thread dies the ignominious death it deserves.
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