Our President
POSTED BY: howdyrockerbaby1
UPDATED: Wednesday, May 21, 2025 16:36
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Anyone can dream up stuff and make wildass speculations and have the right to do so - not everything has to (or merit) logic and reason either - those things are called fantasies.
But dream up things and not be able to support them with neither fact, a logical though process, nor sound reasoning, then call it fact *and* call folks dummies when they point out the lack of fact and logical flaws - that calls for some self-delusion of the grand type.
You must believe that there were no holocause or Apollo landings either.
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Originally posted by howdyrockerbaby1:
Who thinks that our President needs to get his butt out of the White House?
I certainly do.
EDIT: CLARIFICATION: I don't think the war in Iraq was necessary at all, and so far Bush has given no reason for going, I think its great that those people are now free, but Bush shouldn't have been so cocky as to think that we could fix that entire country all on our own without the help of the UN. Besides, we have our own problems in our country to worry about before we try fixing everybody elses.
Besides his Anti-Kerry commercials are just rediculous, almost all of the information (especially on the GAS TOPIC) that he says is at least 10 years old, for instance the 50 cent gas tax information(11 years old!) Plus his speeches annoy the hell out of me
The reason why i have asked this question is because i just wanted to know the general consensus of all my wonder browncoat friends, i'm not trying to start any debate or anything.
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Amen.
There are many countries in the world living under far, far worse "dictators"(ones not sanctioned by the U.S.)than Saddam Hussein. The only thing we were intent on "liberating" are Iraq's oil resources.
If we control the country, we can help set the price for oil.
And if people take the anti-Kerry ads as truth and don't do any research on the Bush claims, they're all manner of fools.
The last election was a sham. It was like the kind of thing that happens in so-called "third world" nations.
I'm a Browncoat, and I vote.
He's not MY president. (Neither is his puppet master Cheney.)
"Take me, sir. Take me hard."
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Wow that claim vs fact site is hi-larious. It's pretty interesting to see the claims that various people in the govt have made, vs the facts. It shows them up as either severely memory impaired officials, or worse prevaricators of the worst degree.
Example:
Topic: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Speaker: Bush, George - President
Date: 9/26/2002
Quote/Claim:
“The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons…And according to the British government, the Iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes.”
Fact:
“Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled chemical weapons program after 1991… Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce, and fill new CW munitions was reduced - if not entirely destroyed - during Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections.” - Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03
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Topic: Iraq - Revising History
In answer to that 'immediate threat' claim debate:
Speaker: Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary of Defense
Date: 3/14/2004
Quote/Claim:
"You and a few other critics are the only people I've heard use the phrase 'immediate threat.' I didn't...It's become kind of folklore that that's what happened."
Fact:
"No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people than the regime of Saddam Hussein and Iraq." -Donald Rumsfeld, 9/19/02
Topic: Iraq - Revising History
Speaker: Bush, George - President
Date: 2/8/2004
Quote/Claim:
"I think, if I might remind you that in my language I called it a grave and gathering threat, but I don't want to get into word contests."
Fact:
The President made far more dire statements before the war. While Bush did call Iraq a "grave and gathering" threat, that was not all he said. On 11/23/02, he said Iraq posed a "unique and urgent threat." On 1/3/03 he said "Iraq is a threat to any American." On 10/28/02 he said Iraq was "a real and dangerous threat" to America. On 10/2/02 he said, "The Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency" and that Iraq posed "a grave threat" to America. - Bush, 10/2/02, 10/2/02, 10/28/02 11/3/02, 1/3/03
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I was about to give this site a chance, until I hit the propaganda wall LOL.
This is just in their "About us" section.
Quote:
The Center for American Progress is a nonpartisan research and educational institute dedicated to promoting a strong, just and free America that ensures opportunity for all Americans.
followed further down by:
Quote:
Every day we challenge conservative thinking that undermines the bedrock American values of liberty, community and shared responsibility.
Non-Partisan my Arse LOL. If you look, every headline is Pro-Democratic/Anti-Bush administration. Yeah CAP is definitely "Progressive, Open Mided and Non-Partisan"..
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Originally posted by Zoriah:
Wow that claim vs fact site is hi-larious. It's pretty interesting to see the claims that various people in the govt have made, vs the facts. It shows them up as either severely memory impaired officials, or worse prevaricators of the worst degree.
Example:
Topic: Weapons of Mass Destruction
Speaker: Bush, George - President
Date: 9/26/2002
Quote/Claim:
“The Iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons…And according to the British government, the Iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as 45 minutes.”
Fact:
“Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled chemical weapons program after 1991… Iraq's large-scale capability to develop, produce, and fill new CW munitions was reduced - if not entirely destroyed - during Operations Desert Storm and Desert Fox, 13 years of UN sanctions and UN inspections.” - Bush Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03
I've read David Kays published Public report and you have edited the above, which is misleading. Or the source you obtained it from is misleading you. I have included whole unedited portions, given on October 2, 2003. Removing words like "varied access and reliability" is called propagandic spin and can be misleading. The sources could be anyone from Saddam's cohorts to Saddam himself. It is very easy to get caught up in the propaganda game, especially when you claim something as fact, when it is merely conjecture at this point.
Please understand, I'm not refuting your above statements. Im adding everything you left off, so folks can get the full picture.
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Let me turn now to chemical weapons (CW). In searching for retained stocks of chemical munitions, ISG has had to contend with the almost unbelievable scale of Iraq's conventional weapons armory, which dwarfs by orders of magnitude the physical size of any conceivable stock of chemical weapons. For example, there are approximately 130 known Iraqi Ammunition Storage Points (ASP), many of which exceed 50 square miles in size and hold an estimated 600,000 tons of artillery shells, rockets, aviation bombs and other ordinance. Of these 130 ASPs, approximately 120 still remain unexamined. As Iraqi practice was not to mark much of their chemical ordinance and to store it at the same ASPs that held conventional rounds, the size of the required search effort is enormous.
While searching for retained weapons, ISG teams have developed multiple sources that indicate that Iraq explored the possibility of CW production in recent years, possibly as late as 2003. When Saddam had asked a senior military official in either 2001 or 2002 how long it would take to produce new chemical agent and weapons, he told ISG that after he consulted with CW experts in OMI he responded it would take six months for mustard. Another senior Iraqi chemical weapons expert in responding to a request in mid-2002 from Uday Husayn for CW for the Fedayeen Saddam estimated that it would take two months to produce mustard and two years for Sarin.
We are starting to survey parts of Iraq's chemical industry to determine if suitable equipment and bulk chemicals were available for chemical weapons production. We have been struck that two senior Iraqi officials volunteered that if they had been ordered to resume CW production Iraq would have been willing to use stainless steel systems that would be disposed of after a few production runs, in place of corrosive-resistant equipment which they did not have.
We continue to follow leads on Iraq's acquisition of equipment and bulk precursors suitable for a CW program. Several possibilities have emerged and are now being exploited. One example involves a foreign company with offices in Baghdad, that imported in the past into Iraq dual-use equipment and maintained active contracts through 2002. Its Baghdad office was found looted in August 2003, but we are pursuing other locations and associates of the company.
Information obtained since OIF has identified several keNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I am posting this but did not write it or research it, take it as you will...
George W. Bush - Resume
The White House, USA
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
LAW ENFORCEMENT:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine, in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University with a low C average.
I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas, in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Kenneth Lay), I was elected governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR OF TEXAS:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I am the first President in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
In my first year in office, over 2 million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My "poorest" millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. President.
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. History, Enron.
My political party used Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision.
I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate rip-offs in history.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any President in U.S. history.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
I've broken more international treaties than any President in U.S. history.
I am the first Pres
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Hey connorflynn,
I don't really see any substantive difference between the short quotation ("they don't got any") and the long quotation ("we really looked hard and a lot of folks said they might have something, there's still a lot of places that they might hide stuff, but as far as we know, they don't got any"). And what I mean by "substantive" is anything that would take use from "don't and might" to "they do."
And there's still a big difference between 45 minutes and 2 years.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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A lie can get around the world before truth can get its pants on - Winston Churchill, (paraphrasing Mark Twain.)
You just told a whole MESS of lies. I suppose you expect us to do research on each and every lie, distortion and misrepresented statement. Since most of us have real lives and real jobs ( I happen to have 2 jobs, ) I'll just randomly pick 2 items which are false.
- In my State of the Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
*** There was no lie, what so ever. See, all the Left can do is SAY Bush lied, but not ONCE can they cite an example of WHERE he lied. Fact is, not only did Iraq get its nuclear material for its Nuclear power plant ( wonder why a oil rich nation NEEDS nuclear power? hmmm ) from Africa, but the British intell STILL stands by their findings. No lie there, sorry. ***
- I am the first President in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
*** Good for W! There is absolutely ZERO reason why the *UN has any business trying to have a hand in OUR elections. We've been doing our own elections for longer than the UN has been in existence. We aren't some developing 3rd world country that has never had a national election before. This is ( like so many items on here ) a complete and utter red herring. ***
*The same corrupt UN that skimmed MILLIONS from the Food for Oil scam which oddly enough involved all those countrys who didnt' want the US to invade Iraq. The biggest KNOWN scandal that has been uncovered at the UN, which goes all the way up to the top and is a fair example of why NOT to trust the UN to do much of anything.
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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