Our President
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UPDATED: Wednesday, May 21, 2025 16:36
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I cannot believe that the attacking forces would have had the stomach to do a prolonged and bloodthirsty attack aiming at survivors.
First of all, nervouspete, you're completely right about the Liberty. The Israelis have enough foes, so they wouldn't bomb the most powerful nation just to no reason.
But people are completely capable of killing survivors. In WWII, one American sub sank a troop ship, and a few thousand Jap soldiers jumped off into the tropical waters. Then the captain drove around for a few hours and killed them all with machinegun and 4 in. gun fire. Of course, other sub captains were horrified. But, they would've done the same to us. Just wanted to point out that people have no problems with shooting up lifeboats.
By the way, I didn't read this on a liberal conspiricy website, but a reputable book about the American sub war, with lot's of military guys helping write it.
Oh yeah, and the 9/11 missile crap is a bunch of lunacy.
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Hey Ruxton,
I'm sorry, my friend in P-burg is one of my closest friends in the world, but the fellow who lost his sister on one of the planes was really just someone I worked with at the time. I don't even know his last name, but he was pretty emotional about the event at the time. So did the people who got on those planes die that morning in your view? Or were the flight numbers entirely ficticious. And if the conspirators had such absolute control of the situation, what could have been the explanation for shooting one of the planes down in the skies over Pennsylvania?
The "cell phone hoax" is very troubling to me, because it really would have been an absolute stroke of genius, and if there were anyone with that kind of vision behind the Bush administration I think they would have handled a whole lot of things so much better than they have. It's really too imaginative for me to buy. Seriously, if Evil is really that clever and imaginative, we're doomed.
You know, but it ain't. The Nazis were really very short sighted and clumsy in their thinking. "Brutish" is the mind behind the camps, not "clever." The "masterminds" behind the war on Iraq should have come up with the "Hussein is a bad human rights violator" argument from the get go instead of in the eleventh hour. Remember how the Bush administration kept coming up with new spins on why we should go to war every week or so in the months leading up to the war? They just came up with one thing after another waiting for one of them to stick. Sloppy, unimaginative and opportunistic.
It's like a drunken father's prevarications about his mistress. Nobody believes his lies because he's brilliant or terribly clever. Some members of the family will deny it out of simple "love" for their father or because they just don't want to deal with the reality of betrayal, but others will be able to withstand the heartbreak of seeing the truth about their dad.
P.S: to connorflynn--I'm sorry this discussion has become so painful to you. It is painful to me as well. No one here is arguing that the events of 9/11 were not devastatingly horrible or that 3000+ people did not lose their lives. We all just want to know why and how it actually happened, if that's possible. Don't you believe the truth is worth investigating? Don't you think that if there is but the slightest chance that anything ruxton has printed is true, that it should be examined?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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There you go again, Ruxton...
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
HKCavalier, I have no doubt the Pennsylvania plane was in fact shot down
I agree. As the matter of fact I have a friend who flies for the navy and he says the only way any plane can crash is if it was shot down.
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However, the phone calls from any of the hijacked planes are, for me, big problems.
Me too. In the old days you could not use phones on planes. Now they provide phones built into the seat backs for everyone to use. I knew it was a hoax. When my father called me from the plane the other day...who was I really talking to and how did that Govt agent know my dog had been messing on my rose bush?
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Seven or eight of the 19 alleged hijackers are alive and well in other countries, and had nothing to do with the events. But no one has gone to interview even one of them.
What about the arab media? They'd plaster a living hijacker across the TV. Wait...I bet Bush controls the Arab Tv networks.
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Why don't the alleged hijackers appear on the airport security videos of that day? Why aren't there credit card records of their ticket purchases? Why were there no Arab names on the passenger lists of any of the aircraft? Why did FBI director Robert Mueller say very publicly to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco that nothing on paper connected Arab terrorists to 9/11?
1. They do, it helped ID them after the attack.
2. They paid with cash.
3. They used Arab names.
4. I guess Director Mueller thought no one would notice. Cause thats just what would happen. An elaborate global conspiracy to fake a massive terror attack spoiled by a trip to San Francisco. Well, it wouldn't be the first time.
Seriously, what conspiracy site do you subscribe to? Come on, share the nonsense for everyone to enjoy.
H
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
P.S: to connorflynn--I'm sorry this discussion has become so painful to you. It is painful to me as well. No one here is arguing that the events of 9/11 were not devastatingly horrible or that 3000+ people did not lose their lives. We all just want to know why and how it actually happened, if that's possible. Don't you believe the truth is worth investigating? Don't you think that if there is but the slightest chance that anything ruxton has printed is true, that it should be examined?
Well..to answer your questions:
The posts above do argue the reality of 9/11, by quoting Conspiracy/hoax theories that are so far fetched, that it doesn't take a well schooled individual to refute them. The websites listed are irresponsible, and in my opinion, merely a motivated way to make money (they all ask for donations), by providing fictional entertainment to gullible or cynically minded people, much in the same way Scientology(Im sure L. Ron Hubbard, a science "FICTION" writer, if he were alive today would be laughing all the way to the bank) has gained a following.
Personally I wish folks spent more time watching Firefly and less time looking for rancid 9/11 theories, maybe it would still be on the air today.
9/11 has been investigated backwards, forwards, upwards and downwards. We know who the terrorists were, we know how they came to commit the crimes. Even now, many work to come up with better ways to prevent or hinder these types of heinous acts from occurring again. In this particular case there isn't the slightest chance that anything Ruxton has posted is true, so no I don't think valuable resources or time should be spent chasing fictitious, hateful in my opinion, theories.
my 2 cents.
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Originally posted by HKCavalier:
Hey Ruxton,
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The "cell phone hoax" is very troubling to me, because it really would have been an absolute stroke of genius, and if there were anyone with that kind of vision behind the Bush administration I think they would have handled a whole lot of things so much better than they have. It's really too imaginative for me to buy. Seriously, if Evil is really that clever and imaginative, we're doomed.
Not only is it preposterous to think that anything this complicated can be imagined down to the type of details it takes to carry it out, but conspiracy theorists obviously have never carried out any large projects that they believe are going on. How many people it would take to carry out this kind of planning - not just to think it out, but to carry out the shear logistics of it - have all of these people been silenced as well? Even if they didn't know what they were doing at the time ("oh, they told me to turn off the transponder on flight 77 for a test, little off procedure, but the paperwork is there..."). They've got to know afterwards and there will be plenty of talking - where are these people?
Look, most people don't realize the amount of paperwork and number of people it takes just to get the chow for a company of soldiers started and delivered out to the field. Even the simplest thing in the government takes some ooodles of people of "forms in triplicates" to accomplish. I can not imagine the number of folks it would take for this grand of a scheme.
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I just want Nathan Fillion to show up at one of the Presidential Addresses and say in mid speech, "Bush. Your mouth is movin.. you may want to look to that."
that would be just shiny as hell.
Ahhhh.. Curse you sudden but inevitable betrayal!!
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claims vs. facts
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MAKE THE PIE HIGHER
I think we all agree, the past is over.
This is still a dangerous world.
It's a world of madmen and uncertainty
And potential mental losses.
Rarely is the question asked
Is our children learning?
Will the highways of the Internet
Become more few?
How many hands have I shaked?
They misunderestimate me.
I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.
I know that the human being
And the fish can coexist.
Families is where our nation finds hope,
Where our wings take dream.
Put food on your family!
Knock down the tollbooth!
Vulcanize society!
Make the pie higher!
Make the pie higher!
(All the above are direct quotes of George W. Bush, rearranged for clarity.]
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"Personally I wish folks spent more time watching Firefly and less time looking for rancid 9/11 theories, maybe it would still be on the air today"
Yeah, in fact I believe the whole 9/11 commission is a waste of time.
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Anyone seriously looking for answers and who wants to do some serious digging, I recommend visiting "whatreallyhappened.com" and following the links to news services all over the world on a large variety of subjects. Some of the information is sparse, some opinion, but much of it is hard fact from reputable news organizations worldwide. A thorough reading and analyzing of ALL the material on several related subjects will lead the serious student to some potential answers to serious questions. A few of the posters here clearly can't be bothered with opinions other than their own, but a few might find the above website to be instructive. It will take a tremendous amount of time, I warn you.
Obviously, some of our posters here already have taken time to look into things, and to question the pap they have been fed by liars and/or by a few self-indulgent dummies on this string. Their postings are not worth taking time to read, much less to merit a response.
.........Ruxton
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