Our President
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Originally posted by Ghoulman:
Hey spelling Nazi... when you call people names why don't YOU look up the meaning?
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ELITIST - e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
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1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
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1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
2. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.
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And I love how you basically rationalized yourself into labeling me an embittered Socialist. You're a real nut.
Still - your kind can only attack people by calling them names while the rest of us post actual facts, opinions, and knowledge.
It seems that I have struck a nerve by posting actual facts, opinion and well rounded knowledge. I also believe that you did indeed act and post in an embittered elitist fashion, while speciously misusing AND mispelling words outside your vocabulary.
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Originally posted by ShinyEnder:
A war on terrorists isn't a terrible, but when did they become Iraq. There were terrorists in Iraq sure, but come on, it was not a threat. In the whole country they couldn't even get one fighter into the air to fight us off. As for WMD's, yeah there bad, but so isn't a carving knife in the wrong hands. I was on the bandwagon with all the it's a "new" kind of war. I feel like they bait and switched this "new warfare" for Iraq.
In my opinion there is a grander plan afoot. I believe there were a couple reasons we went into Iraq, other then the WMD's. Though I would like to believe that it was all for a noble cause to free the Iraqi people, I don't kid myself.
There are more selfish reasons(no..I don't believe this is all about the oil. If it was, we'd have already owned Kuwait and probably Saudi Arabia as well).
1st reason -- the de-stabilization and eventual democratization of the Middle East(forcing, if you will,their countries to move out of the biblical age and into the modern age). Can you imagine women having rights in the Middle East? I look forward to the eventual Arabic renaissance, for their artistic culture in many ways is unmatched.
We know that terrorism and its foundation still burns brightly in Iran (Our true Target IMHO). As I see it, Iraq is on one side of Iran and Afghanistan is on the other side. Once you place a country like Iran in a position where it is surrounded by 2 democracies, while fomenting from within by youth yearning for freedoms only known outside their country, there is nothing left to do except watch it implode. Lets call it, squeezing the proverbial pimple.
2nd reason -- Taking the war to their homeland, so we don't have to fight them in our own streets. As we have seen in the last several months, insurgents as well as foreign militants have been surging into the Middle East to fight the "Infidels" (anyone not an Islamafascist,and most specifically America), distracting them and essentially bringing about the Insurgent and Militant demise. Sadly capitulating to the Islamafascists merely strengthens their beliefs that they can actually win through the use of Terror.
Again, this is my own personal perception and belief.
As for the President being a barely "C" student, fortunately, college isn't the end all be all to life. There are many good examples of those who have succeeded in this world without a successful run in the university..for instance Abraham Lincoln, a middle school educated Republican, who of all people gave the Emancipation Proclamation freeing all slaves in the Confederate states.
One of my favorite Lincoln quotes, that can fit todays condition--"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865.
More often then not, more is learned out in the real world then is learned inside the walls of a University.
Personally, I think he is pretty intelligent based on the fact he has surrounded himself with some VERY intelligent people (sans Rumsfeld, who I feel should be fired along with Director of the CIA), even while I laugh at his "Bushisms". One thing I can say for him, is that he is steadfast in his beliefs, right or wrong. Unfortunately, at this time, he is currently the only candidate running for the Presidency that is.
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Hey Ruxton,
thanks for being so honest with what cannot help but be a very unpopular theory. I understand what you mean by "being conditioned to trust our government." It doesn't mean that we trust any particular candidate or other, but we trust "the system." We are conditioned to believe in democracy like a religion. We are tought to believe absolutely that our votes count. Up until recently we all believed that presidents didn't have extramarrital sex fer cryin' out loud!
Here's what I gotta say about 9/11: I have a friend who currently resides in Pittsburg who is among a few hundred (few thousand?) people who saw with their own eyes that the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was shot down. It's common knowledge in the area. Also, sadly, I have another friend who received one of the fateful cel phone calls from the second plane. How do you account for these in light of your information?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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HKCavalier, I have no doubt the Pennsylvania plane was in fact shot down, based on many apparent facts, such as large pieces of it being found miles away from the main wreckage, and many witnesses having seen a second plane near it. Exactly why it was, is open to many interpretations.
However, the phone calls from any of the hijacked planes are, for me, big problems. I have a close friend who installs cell phone towers and I specifically asked him if it was possible for those calls to have been made from aircraft at low altitudes going at the reported speeds they were traveling. He said it was impossible. I have read that from other sources also.
If the calls were phony, why were they hoaxed? Were they part of a ploy to grab people's sympathy, along with the "Let's roll" quote? Some other reason? I have no idea. I'd like to know more about your friend's received phone call, what was said, etc., if that's possible.
Seven or eight of the 19 alleged hijackers are alive and well in other countries, and had nothing to do with the events. But no one has gone to interview even one of them.
Why don't the alleged hijackers appear on the airport security videos of that day? Why aren't there credit card records of their ticket purchases? Why were there no Arab names on the passenger lists of any of the aircraft? Why did FBI director Robert Mueller say very publicly to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco that nothing on paper connected Arab terrorists to 9/11?
And on and on, no answers to hard questions, just repeats of the same rhetoric you are expected to believe without question. The bottom line of all this seems to be money:
"Corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed." -Abraham Lincoln, letter to William Elkins, Nov 21, 1864.
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.." President Franklin D. Roosevelt, November 21, 1933
.......Ruxton
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
However, the phone calls from any of the hijacked planes are, for me, big problems. I have a close friend who installs cell phone towers and I specifically asked him if it was possible for those calls to have been made from aircraft at low altitudes going at the reported speeds they were traveling. He said it was impossible. I have read that from other sources also.
.......Ruxton
That sounds like a friend of a friend of a cousin of a next door neighbor of a goatherder I once knew. Can it get more esoteric than that? What exactly does this cell tower installer do for a living? Does he erect the towers? Does he install the dishes and antennaes on the towers? Does he program the transponders? Does he manage the handoff protocols? Does he design cell systems? or does he just lays cables? Under what conditions does a cellphone have problem initializing with the tower? When will a cellphone have problem switching and missing a cell handoff? Somehow all of these details are missed and dismissed with a grunt by a guy who erects towers? In the real world, this is called a fallacy of false authority.
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
However, the phone calls from any of the hijacked planes are, for me, big problems. I have a close friend who installs cell phone towers and I specifically asked him if it was possible for those calls to have been made from aircraft at low altitudes going at the reported speeds they were traveling. He said it was impossible. I have read that from other sources also.
.......Ruxton
That sounds like a friend of a friend of a cousin of a next door neighbor of a goatherder I once knew. Can it get more esoteric than that? What exactly does this cell tower installer do for a living? Does he erect the towers? Does he install the dishes and antennaes on the towers? Does he program the transponders? Does he manage the handoff protocols? Does he design cell systems? or does he just lays cables? Under what conditions does a cellphone have problem initializing with the tower? When will a cellphone have problem switching and missing a cell handoff? Somehow all of these details are missed and dismissed with a grunt by a guy who erects towers? In the real world, this is called a fallacy of false authority.
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Ok, there's no way I'm reading a post this long. This is a classic example of the polarization of American politics. There was a Washington Post series about it, where they had a Red state guy and a Blue state guy. Apparantly, people get their info online from people who believe the same thing as them. That's why there's all this disagreement on even the simplest facts, and all these links to conspiracy websites.
But I gotta say that I sure wouldn't vote for Bush, because he wasted all my gorram money! While his tax cuts were helping out the economy last time I checked, his big fat war is costing billions of dollars, and we're still underfunded. While it's really sad some of our soldiers have died, and many more will die, they volunteered to risk their lives for America, and I respect them for that. But I can't vote yet, and the deficit and national debt are going to be costing me a lot of money in the future, not to mention all the poor people we could be helping. We already spend like 10% of our budget just maintaining the national debt, so we really gotta balance the budget.
And just for the record, before 9/11, Hussein and Bin Ladin were mortal foes. They have entirely different ideologies.
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Originally posted by Ruxton:
HKCavalier, I have no doubt the Pennsylvania plane was in fact shot down, based on many apparent facts, such as large pieces of it being found miles away from the main wreckage, and many witnesses having seen a second plane near it. Exactly why it was, is open to many interpretations.
However, the phone calls from any of the hijacked planes are, for me, big problems. I have a close friend who installs cell phone towers and I specifically asked him if it was possible for those calls to have been made from aircraft at low altitudes going at the reported speeds they were traveling. He said it was impossible. I have read that from other sources also.
If the calls were phony, why were they hoaxed? Were they part of a ploy to grab people's sympathy, along with the "Let's roll" quote? Some other reason? I have no idea. I'd like to know more about your friend's received phone call, what was said, etc., if that's possible.
Seven or eight of the 19 alleged hijackers are alive and well in other countries, and had nothing to do with the events. But no one has gone to interview even one of them.
Why don't the alleged hijackers appear on the airport security videos of that day? Why aren't there credit card records of their ticket purchases? Why were there no Arab names on the passenger lists of any of the aircraft? Why did FBI director Robert Mueller say very publicly to the Commonwealth Club of San Francisco that nothing on paper connected Arab terrorists to 9/11?
And on and on, no answers to hard questions, just repeats of the same rhetoric you are expected to believe without question. The bottom line of all this seems to be money:
"Corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed." -Abraham Lincoln, letter to William Elkins, Nov 21, 1864.
"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson.." President Franklin D. Roosevelt, November 21, 1933
.......Ruxton
I live in NY. I've been a resident for all my life. The horrors of September 11th, 2001 will be with me for the rest of my life. I have friends who have lost loved ones. I was fortunate and blessed to not lose anyone.
I personally enjoy reading about conspiracy theories , in terms of UFO's, aliens, Is the Shroud of Turin a hoax, Was Hitler Gay? Was the Moonlanding an elaborate hoax? etc..etc..
However, here there is a horrific line that has been crossed. A very real one.
I would ask out of respect for those unfortunates and families (There were whole families murdered, man, woman and small child) who perished in those planes (that DID NOT have missles attached to them, and were NOT shot down), that you not make a mockery, not post falsehoods or wild conspiracy hoax theories, belittling their deaths. They were living, breathing, beautiful, brave and wonderful people with their futures to look forward to, with things like a Father-daughter dance at a brides wedding, the birth of a child, graduation from a school, a Big business deal to change a life,and all the other things we of the living take for granted every day. If I had the opportunity today, I would give my life in exchange for the lives of any of the children in those planes or the WTC and surrounding area, whose last moments in this life were filled with fear, and their parents couldn't console them, because there was no consolation to be had.
They were not fictitious characters in a favorite TV Show or Video game.
Regardless of politics or the right or wrong of it, 9/11 did indeed happen, was not a vast American conspiracy and many had their lives snuffed out, for no other reason then fanaticism, and the fact that they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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Ok I do not buy into the whole conspiracy thing, but I do find that the more I read of the incidents, the more questions I have as to what really happened on 9/11.
Since you asked JasonZZZ here is a link to some allegedly empirical research on using cellphones at different altitudes:
http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6
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Ugh..
What a banal and irresponsible site. I wonder if Jayson Blair works for them?
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