WTF? People on here voted that Bush should be prez in '04?!
POSTED BY: Agatsu
UPDATED: Monday, January 8, 2024 12:12
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Well you said he was an anti-war hippie who aided the enemy. That pretty much seems like it would describe a traitorous coward, or did you mean to imply something else by saying that?
You guys regardless of how we disagree I really do have to say, this is really the only community I have ever felt a part of. Other show fans may talk about stupid crap, but we are actually smart enough to debate stuff that actually matters and that is completely cool. I am proud to be part of this family. Sorry not normally this emotional but I'm watching "Done the Impossible" and it really hits home and I am sad I missed out on so much happiness for so long.
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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Quote:I said he was an anti-war hippy. The aiding the enemy part is something you added. Some people think he did aid the enemy, and apparently so do you, because you certainly couldn’t have arrived at that point solely on what I said. Nonetheless, I don’t know what you expect me to say, but I'm not going to debate arguments I never made, as if I made them.
Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
Well you said he was an anti-war hippie who aided the enemy.
Quote:It’s interesting how vibrant the Firefly community is. The Dark Angle community, which I was very active in, went down the tubes within months of its cancellation. People stopped caring about the show and by extension about their fellow fans, so senseless flame wars became the name of the game. But years after Firefly’s cancellation people continue to talk about a wide range of ideas, largely because people continue to find a certain degree of respect for the fellow fans. Only a minority of people on this board have no personal identification with the term “Browncoat.”
Originally posted by avengingwatcher:
You guys regardless of how we disagree I really do have to say, this is really the only community I have ever felt a part of. Other show fans may talk about stupid crap, but we are actually smart enough to debate stuff that actually matters and that is completely cool.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Eh Finn I must be reading more into than you meant, no biggie. I think what really brings everyone here together is the fact that we all actively care about where we are heading. We may disagree on how we get there but at least we care enough to speak our peace about it and stand up for something, and like I said before it makes me feel like I finally have someplace I belong.
When there are no heroes where will we turn?
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Originally posted by Agatsu:Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
Yes, it is often that pseudo-quasi-intellectual liberals assume they are smarter than everybody else, which is why they don't know much. When you learn and open your eyes, you'll become conservative.
As a side note, many countries outside the US actually have a democracy that has more options than "conservative" and "liberal", so don't try to pigeon-hole me into your narrow-minded democratic system, kthx.
And Hooray for freedom, but let's take as much as possible of that away from our own people!Quote:
Originally posted by jewelstaitefan:
But here is a real newsflash: can you imagine that almost half of the voters in America voted for Slick Willie? And then 4 years later, almost half the voters again voted for him? Now THAT's amazing. You'd think people would be smarter than that.
I had no beef with Clinton. At least his shit didn't throw the WORLD (and that includes my little country in "Old Europe") into an unwinnable war against "terrorism", and he didn't come up with "Patriot Act I" and "Patriot Act with a Vengeance", nor pull a quarter of the shit W vomited on your once quite popular country and the rest of the world.
However...
I still love y'all.
OK, letting us know you are in Yurp helps explain why you haven't gotten the news.
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Yeah, it takes those old European barques weeks to cross the big water to bring us news from the Americans. I was flabbergasted to hear last week that you're not an English colony anymore! First your terrorist attack against Her Majesty's fleet in Boston, now this. Where will it all end? One day you'll think the world is your playground! Ah, kids...
So what news would that be, pray tell? Sounds like it has to be good, because it obviously debunks some of the aweful and ridiculous things I said.
I'm also curious about your choice of quotes from my post, and how "the news" fits all of them. So please, hit me with the news, I'm so ready.
And I still love y'all. 
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"Dude, you never wanna f*ck with a Browncoat, man." - Kevin Smith
I think that cats know the deepest secrets of the universe, but they don't give a shit.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:So basically, you have convinced yourself that if there were a Democrat in office, we’d all be shitting rainbows right now. I don’t know what to tell you, except that this is naïve on so many levels.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Less Americans and others would be dead right now for one.
Gore's no hawk, but I don't see him bein' an ostrich either.
I just don't realistically see how this world could have been worse off with Gore (or even Kerry (ughhh)).
"Surprisingly, conversations generally progress further if you respond to what other people actually say, instead of what you wished they had said."
Chrisisall
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Avenging - one of the reasons, in spite of the snark, nastiness and occasional petty crap that goes on, that discussions on RWED actually tend to go somewhere and make people think, even if nothing is resolved, is that real free speech exists in this tiny microcosm we got here.
Since no one need fear provoking moderation, people can speak their mind, and even the radical extremes sometimes have interesting an useful things to say - all too many boards nothing can be discussed because not only fear of moderation, but biased moderation to boot, and it becomes a game to bait someones argument into disappearance via moderation, just like dropping it down into the memory hole, yes ?
And some folks, although it comes and goes with a couple of em here - try to drive folks who don't agree with them out with pure vitriol and hostility, figuring if they run off all who disagree they can claim "victory" as the board stagnates into eventual non-existence.
Only, we got some real stubborn folk here, who'll dig in and argue back, not just for their own sake, but for the sake of the many lurkers who'd rather not step into the flames themselves to dare posting.
We might rarely agree, and sure there's a lot of smoke and fire and sparks a-flyin when heads of stone and iron collide...
But you know, some damn fine steel gets made that way, and if one can keep their temper (pun intended) one can learn a lot, not just about one's own issues, arguments and the pros and cons thereof, but also about other people and thiers, how they think, what they believe and why.
About the only thing that I would consider a negative factor is blatant dishonesty, because it poisons the discussion, and as a rule, that's a general call for booing and fruit throwin around here.
The final thing that makes it so effective in this, is that one side cannot speak their piece and then FORCE the other side to shut up - everyone gets their say, good, bad, indifferent, wacky... everyone on our little boat here has a voice, and ain't whatever shy about using it.
Might not agree with a lot of em, sure - but the fact that Haken has given us this section of his boat to rock and roll as we wish is a gift beyond measure, and one I never stop appreciatin.
So three cheers for RWED, and three more for Haken!
Some day I'd like to buy that man a round or five...
-Frem
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Quote:What Frem said(tm)
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
the fact that Haken has given us this section of his boat to rock and roll as we wish is a gift beyond measure, and one I never stop appreciatin.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
So three cheers for RWED, and three more for Haken!
Huzzah! Huzzah!... ok that's all i can muster....
now get the f*ck off of my back
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Quote:I agree with this, though not for the same reasons. RWED is largely a joke. It’s full of conversations and ideas that are more fanciful and unrealistic then probably any discussion anywhere else on the board. The fact that there is no moderation means that real debate is buried under dishonesty and personal attacks and crazy paranoid delusions. But it creates a reservoir into which all the crap goes. Like a filtration system in a pool, it attracts all the those people and all that discussion that would otherwise foul the waters and eventually ruin the board completely. By keeping all the Bush-haters, for instance, in this little room, discussion in the other boards can continue without that destabilizing influence, which allows true Browncoats more freedom to be Browncoats instead of forced into taking sides on political issues or leaving because they can’t get a word in edgewise.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Might not agree with a lot of em, sure - but the fact that Haken has given us this section of his boat to rock and roll as we wish is a gift beyond measure, and one I never stop appreciatin.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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