WTF? People on here voted that Bush should be prez in '04?!

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DEADLOCKVICTIM

Monday, March 3, 2008 10:34 PM

....sweet, fancy moses...

this place is chock-full of ditto-heads....

(and i thought this was cool site once upon a time)

KIRKULES

Monday, March 3, 2008 10:42 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by Kirkules:
Considering all the shit Bush had to deal with, like the aftermath of the Dot.com bubble, 911, the largest natural disaster in US history and two wars. I think he has done a pretty good job. This country is still in pretty good shape considering what we've been through in the last 8 years. I'm not in any way assamed of voting for him twice. I think a few years down the road many that now hate Bush will be saying with the clarity of hindsight, that he was a good President.

Question: How do you feel about Carter? He's typically vilified by the right, who can go on for days (and do, often) about how bad he was. You don't think he had things to deal with? Gas lines, the aftermath of our loss in Viet Nam, a general malaise and lack of morale in this country, and so on...

I'm just sayin', is all.

And the "two wars" thing that Bush had to deal with - that's all on him. One of them was a just war, the other was just a war. There IS a difference.

Mike

The first election that I was eligible to vote was when Carter was running for reelection. I voted for him, but given what I know now, I regret it. He was a good man until in recent years he has become bitter and somewhat of an annoyance. I like Presidents to go away after serving their term and don't like them acting like their still an elected official for life.

I agree that some of the problems that Bush has had to deal with are of his own making, but this was true of Carter also. The Iranians would have instantly handed back the hostages if he would have shown a little spine. His gloomy disposition sure did add to the economic problems and the funk that hung over the country at that time. I was lucky to have a job throughout that time but many of my friends got laid off. It always strikes me funny when I hear people tell me how bad things are now, when things were so much worst during Carters term. I'll take a housing bubble any day over 15% interest rates. I drive around now days and even in the middle of an economic downturn I see help wanted signs. I don't think I ever saw one in my youth, until I was about 25-30 years old.

HOPERULES

Monday, March 3, 2008 10:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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I think he has done a pretty good job. This country is still in pretty good shape considering what we've been through in the last 8 years.

That has got to be the most insane thing I have heard around here in weeks, and that's including PN's ranting.

I question your contact with reality.

Why is it when discussing politics people don't talk about facts but throw around phrases like "the most insane thing I ever heard", "I question your contact with reality", and "WTF"? It seems like more of a personal attack than a honest difference of opinion. "Logic!... Why don't they teach logic at these schools." (C.S. Lewis)

May have been on the losing side, still not convinced it was the wrong one.

KWICKO

Monday, March 3, 2008 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by Kirkules:
The first election that I was eligible to vote was when Carter was running for reelection. I voted for him, but given what I know now, I regret it. He was a good man until in recent years he has become bitter and somewhat of an annoyance. I like Presidents to go away after serving their term and don't like them acting like their still an elected official for life.

Bitter? All I ever see is Carter swinging a hammer for Habitat For Humanity, or helping to oversee elections overseas (we could sure use some of that help here at home, to make sure OUR elections aren't rigged. Or rigged AGAIN.), or traveling around the globe with Bush 1 trying to raise money to help out the impoverished.

I *do* wish former Presidents would go away, though. Especially the soon-to-be-former one. I'm sure he'll go on the speaking tour, but who in their right mind would actually PAY to hear him mangle the language is beyond me...

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I agree that some of the problems that Bush has had to deal with are of his own making, but this was true of Carter also. The Iranians would have instantly handed back the hostages if he would have shown a little spine. His gloomy disposition sure did add to the economic problems and the funk that hung over the country at that time. I was lucky to have a job throughout that time but many of my friends got laid off. It always strikes me funny when I hear people tell me how bad things are now, when things were so much worst during Carters term. I'll take a housing bubble any day over 15% interest rates. I drive around now days and even in the middle of an economic downturn I see help wanted signs. I don't think I ever saw one in my youth, until I was about 25-30 years old.

Actually, Carter DID show "a little spine". He OK'd a daring, but ill-fated, rescue mission utilizing the until-then-unheard-of Delta Force. They were supposed to use a modified C-130 to land in a soccer stadium, pick up the hostages, and get the hell out, but two of their support 'copters crashed into each other in a sandstorm, killing most if not all of the crews and the operatives.

Also, it was a bit difficult to get much traction with rescuing the hostages when Ronald "We don't negotiate with terrorists" Reagan was already DEEP into negotiations with those very same terrorists, playing into their hands in the hopes that they could conspire to make Carter look worse than he already did. In other words, Reagan sold out his country and his people for political gain. How very, very Republican of him.

As for things being "so much worst", I'm not convinced of that, at all. Not sure who it was that couldn't find a job, but *I* had a job, and I was a freaking stoner at the time!

Mike

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence had very little to do with that decision." - Hero, Real World Event Discussions

Best. Quote. Ever.

KIRKULES

Monday, March 3, 2008 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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I think he has done a pretty good job. This country is still in pretty good shape considering what we've been through in the last 8 years.

That has got to be the most insane thing I have heard around here in weeks, and that's including PN's ranting.

I question your contact with reality.

Coming from you, your response is actually somewhat comforting to me.

Thanks Frem

KIRKULES

Monday, March 3, 2008 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
[*I* had a job, and I was a freaking stoner at the time!

Ah, the good old days, when us stoners could still operate heavy machinery(dammed Meese).

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, March 3, 2008 11:17 PM

Oh my stars and garters, you actually GOT the double-ended joke I was making of that.

I didn't expect anyone to actually catch that ball, but folks will surprise you.

-Frem
EDIT: Actually I was kinda half-hoping to draw a quote from Book...
"Coming from you, that means... almost nothing."

BADKARMA00

Monday, March 3, 2008 11:41 PM

You know, I was thinking about commenting in here on this, but then I read things like 'land a c-130 in a soccer stadium' and, once I get over laughing, I figure, why bother.

Bad_karma
Great and Exalted Grand Pooba, International Brotherhood of Moonshiners, Rednecks, and Good Old Boys.

JRC

Tuesday, March 4, 2008 2:36 AM

Hey it was modified, remember? Like maybe 20 feet long! With a crew of one.

Everyone dies alone.

AVENGINGWATCHER

Tuesday, March 4, 2008 5:24 AM

To whomever said that Bush is doing a good job, ummm 9/11 was Bush's fault for blatantly ignoring the multiple warnings. Regardless of direct of indirect, he dropped that ball and he dropped the ball on international politics, the one time in recent history the world felt bad for us and he had to use it as a point to prove he was a hate monger. It happened on his watch.

Secondly, the country is in a recession, the housing market is in the toilet which are not entirely his fault, but a lot of the value of American money comes from faith in our figure head. Like it or not he speaks for America and who really wants to give their money to the D student in the class?

Third, the guy is a prick to our veteran's. For someone who can't even show up for his own duty he sure has a pair of brass ones to insult our troops the way he has. Our troops health and well being comes before pay increases in Washington or handouts to big corporations, or at least it should. I support the hunt for Osama, I support the war in Afghanistan, but Iraq was ill-conceived, poorly planned and completely pointless. If Bush had listened to Shinseki the war would have at least been planned well.

Fourth, the guy has an economic plan of "go buy stuff". Hello, buddy, have you seen the growth rate for people's salaries? People are actually making less now, well unless you are already insanely wealthy, because then your money improved.

Fifth, our borders are less secure now than during 9/11. It is so bad that volunteers have gone down to secure our borders. Now I have no real grudge against illegal immigrants, but seriously if we can't stop unorganized illegals from getting into our country , how do we expect to stop someone with a plan?

I may not agree with most Republican's on most things but, I can at least say that Bush senior had some brains in his head, hell even Reagan was better suited for presidency.

You know what I think would be best for America? Someone who was actually in the middle, in the terms of Ed Shultz " A hard line drive to left center" or Right center for that matter. Someone who took care of small business and the middle class, while fixing our broken welfare system, taking care of our veterans and reducing the size of our bloated bureaucracy. Take care of our elderly and make sure everyone can get at least emergency and life-saving care, as well as a preventative program to save money in the long term. Anyone else agree that we are far polar opposites?

Oh and let me say I am not calling Bush voters morons or anything, but do you really think we are better off? Bush makes me pray for Dole.

When there are no heroes where will we turn?

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