Star Trek II should have been a direct sequel to TMP

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Thursday, March 6, 2008 04:16
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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:00 PM

As good as Wrath Of Khan is, I believe it was a mistake to take Trek out of the hands of Roddenberry. TMP was a grand epic movie, and they reduced the sequels to merely big-screen, adventure-driven episodes, IMO. Harve Bennet was a good writer for The Six Million Dollar Man, but he knew nothing of true science fiction.
For instance, how HARD is it to find a lifeless space body IN THE UNIVERSE?
How can one planet be MISTAKEN for another??
Why no flags for the Ceti-Alpha system in the database?

They turned a potentially amazing series of science fiction films into mere comedy and adventure, both of which were in TOS, but they were part of it, not the whole of it.

Trek fan rantisall

KAYNA

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 7:24 PM

You know, I've always wondered about that planetary mistaken identity thing. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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CHRISISALL

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:42 PM

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Originally posted by Kayna:
You know, I've always wondered about that planetary mistaken identity thing. It just didn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

Well, Ceti-Alpha 5 WAS in Ceti-Alpha 6's orbit, so looking out the window it would have seemed to be Ceti-Alpha 6...it's not like they have long range sensors or star charts or computers or anything...

!!!!!Chrisisall

SIMONWHO

Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:31 PM

A direct sequel wasn't an option. Star Trek TMP was a disappointment at the box office due to how much money had been spent on the franchise ($35m, over three times as much as Star Wars cost) and they were basically given the choice of a much lower budget ($11m in the end) or no movie at all.

Paramount never really treated Star Trek all that well - in fact, it's never really been treated that well. Perhaps this reboot will persuade them to be a little more careful with the golden goose.

DATALESS

Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:49 PM

ST:TMP was an hour long episode that we already saw (the Changeling) with an hour long of the ship flying by. It was boring. Their are differences in that episode from the movie but the story was very similar. TMP was anything but a disapointment at the box office $39 mill budget to $82 mill US gross with Worldwide of $139 mill. If they did that with Serenity we'd have Serenity 2 by now and a third one on the way.

They released TMP in 1979 and TWOK in 1982.

ST 2: The Wrath of Khan (TWOK) was exciting and well written. Having it tie in with an episode was really smart.

CREVANREAVER

Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:47 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
As good as Wrath Of Khan is, I believe it was a mistake to take Trek out of the hands of Roddenberry. TMP was a grand epic movie, and they reduced the sequels to merely big-screen, adventure-driven episodes, IMO. Harve Bennet was a good writer for The Six Million Dollar Man, but he knew nothing of true science fiction.
For instance, how HARD is it to find a lifeless space body IN THE UNIVERSE?
How can one planet be MISTAKEN for another??
Why no flags for the Ceti-Alpha system in the database?

Chrisisall, no offense...but I completely disagree with your opinion of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan. It was not only the best Star Trek movie, it was one of the greatest scifi movies of all time and one of the greatest sequels of all time.

Even many non-Trekkies enjoyed it.

CHRISISALL

Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:

it was one of the greatest scifi movies of all time

Then how do you explain the really bad science? Eh?

KobiashiChrisisall

SIMONWHO

Thursday, February 21, 2008 9:25 PM

With the really good fiction, obviously!

CHRISISALL

Thursday, February 21, 2008 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
With the really good fiction, obviously!

Good one.

NCC1701isall

OPPYH

Friday, February 22, 2008 1:35 AM

I don't know. I love all the Trek movies just the way they are(even the bad ones)and I have always felt The Search for Spock was way underrated.

BTW, I'm watching the first season of Enterprise, and contrary to what most Trekkies feel about this series......I LOVE IT!!

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