Obama
POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 14, 2025 22:38
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Obama IS going to be the next President.
I watched the 3 speeches last night...his, McCain's and Hillary's. He blew them all away.
Its hardly in the bag.
First of all I would not count the Clintons out until the body is cold and you've poked Hillary with a stick a few times. I think they can and will go after Obama at least one more time. Then there is the Superdelagate issue. If Obama goes into convention tied or slightly ahead in delegates, then Clinton wins. 1/3 of Democrat Delegates are Superdelegates.
Two, Obama has a big experiance hurdle to overcome. He plays it well against Hillary, arguing a choice between the past and future. But its a long time till November and a crisis or attack could really put into American minds the question of who is best able to handle a bad situation and in that regard McCain is far above any of his opponants.
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Originally posted by Hero:
Then there is the Superdelagate issue. If Obama goes into convention tied or slightly ahead in delegates, then Clinton wins. 1/3 of Democrat Delegates are Superdelegates.
I don't think the DNC will allow that to happen. If they "overturn" the "will of the voters" you could have a race war, or at least riots in the streets, and a very bruised & fractured Dem party. Youre right about Hillary....not to count her out, but she's looking mighty weakened right now.
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They need to get rid of 'electorates' all together. The people of this country vote and if the majority of them want a certain candidate then that is who should win. The electoral college is outdated and needs to go away.
Who got the 'popular vote' 8 years ago? Or was it 4? It's been so many long, painful years. It certainly wasn't the idiot we have in office now. He embarrasses this country every time he opens his mouth.
"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."
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Originally posted by Leiasky:
They need to get rid of 'electorates' all together. The people of this country vote and if the majority of them want a certain candidate then that is who should win. The electoral college is outdated and needs to go away.
I hope you live in New York city, Los Angeles, or Chicago, because if you don't, your vote won't count for much without the electoral college. The reason we have a Democratic Republic is to protect minority rights. Mob rule might be OK for you if you're in the majority, but most in this country believe the minority should have a say in their government also. Why not just eliminate Presidential elections altogether and just poll the 10 biggest cities in the US to see who the next President should be.
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Wow - where on Earth did you find that picture of Hero's cubicle?
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Quote:And how did Hero know that Che is my idol?
Wow - where on Earth did you find that picture of Hero's cubicle?
!Si se peude!
I don't know about Obama. He refuses to say anything other than mush. Maybe that's what most people need to hear now, but it makes me think that he's either really .... mushy.... or really, really, really smart.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:
I think that, at least with Obama in office, I would actually be able to sit through a speech given by the President of the United States....
I've resisted the idea that this should matter at all for a long time. But I think that presidents can fill a valuable role as a 'spokesperson' for their country. Not only when representing us to the rest of the world, but in being able inspire the nation.
By some accounts, JFK wasn't much of a president. But he'll remain one of the most beloved presidents because he had the ability to make the nation feel good about itself - something we desperately need after the last seven years. That's why, regardless of the fact that I disagree with his political ideology almost 100%, I'm thinking Obama could be a decent president, at least better than Clinton or McCain.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
This country doesnt feel good about itself?? Why cause we "choose to feel bad" (like Bush had everything to do with that, forgot about 9/11, huh)about this country? I still fly my flag everyday. I love this country. If you say Iraq makes us feel bad, I disagree. We are doing good things in Iraq, the media "chooses" to show it as a bad place. yea, war is hell, I agree. But compaired to what they had before, it is a lot better. They have something they have never had before, which we take forgranted, Freedom.
If we dont stand our ground in Iraq, then all the troops who died, died for nothing. you can say what you want(but then again this is America) but those troops over there dont feel bad about this country and neither do I.
Keep Flying!!
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Originally posted by Tholo:Quote:
Originally posted by SergeantX:Quote:
Originally posted by yinyang:
I think that, at least with Obama in office, I would actually be able to sit through a speech given by the President of the United States....
I've resisted the idea that this should matter at all for a long time. But I think that presidents can fill a valuable role as a 'spokesperson' for their country. Not only when representing us to the rest of the world, but in being able inspire the nation.
By some accounts, JFK wasn't much of a president. But he'll remain one of the most beloved presidents because he had the ability to make the nation feel good about itself - something we desperately need after the last seven years. That's why, regardless of the fact that I disagree with his political ideology almost 100%, I'm thinking Obama could be a decent president, at least better than Clinton or McCain.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
This country doesnt feel good about itself?? Why cause we "choose to feel bad" (like Bush had everything to do with that, forgot about 9/11, huh)about this country? I still fly my flag everyday. I love this country. If you say Iraq makes us feel bad, I disagree. We are doing good things in Iraq, the media "chooses" to show it as a bad place. yea, war is hell, I agree. But compaired to what they had before, it is a lot better. They have something they have never had before, which we take forgranted, Freedom.
If we dont stand our ground in Iraq, then all the troops who died, died for nothing. you can say what you want(but then again this is America) but those troops over there dont feel bad about this country and neither do I.
I couldn't agree with you more Tholo. I guess Americans just love negativity. I don't know where it all comes from, but I think the 24 hour news cycle has definitely made things worse. Being bombarded with negativity 24 hours a day seems to get to a lot of people. We are living in one of the most hopeful ,prosperous, and just times in American history and over 50% of the population thinks things are going to hell. I just don't see it, even though the media and many here try to point it out to me every day.
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Originally posted by Tholo:
If we dont stand our ground in Iraq, then all the troops who died, died for nothing...
This kind of schoolyard morality is what got us into that mess in the first place. Unfortunately they did die for nothing. I'm guessing that, to you, that will sound like an insult to the troops, which of course it isn't. I have the deepest respect for the people who sign up to risk their very lives to protect me and mine. That's why it pisses me off when we send them off on foolish, no-win missions.
Lots of them are beginning to realize it too. The amount of donations from military people supporting Ron Paul's campaign is perhaps the most honest appraisal of what the troops think of the war.(he's received more than any candidate, Democrat or Republican) Money talks. They're living through the direct repercussions of our leader's ignorance and hubris.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:And how did Hero know that Che is my idol?
Wow - where on Earth did you find that picture of Hero's cubicle?
Typical hypocrisy of a liberal. Hates Bush with a passion, but loves murderous commie bastard.
"Guevara was assigned the role of "supreme prosecutor", overseeing the public show trials and executions of hundreds of military and civilian leaders associated with the previous regime"
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