Obama
POSTED BY: SergeantX
UPDATED: Tuesday, October 14, 2025 22:38
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OK, I've just read Obama's "Blueprint For America". It was nothing new, nothing I didn't expect. Pretty much just good old-fashioned 'Great Society' liberalism. Funny how that's actually looking like an appealing alternative. Not because I agree with him, I think he's wrong about pretty much all the solutions he proposes. That said, I'm considering supporting his campaign. If only because the other two media-endorsed candidates scare the living shit out of me.
I do think Obama's wrong. But he's just 'plain wrong'. He's not 'totally batshit neo-con insane wrong'. All this depends on what kind of third party runs emerge. I'll probably end up in one of those camps, but since there's not much on the table in that regard just yet, I'm looking at those the television thinks I should vote for.
(For those of you who care, I'm still working for the Ron Paul campaign. But the focus has shifted. We want to go to the convention with as many delegates as possible and at least try to inject a voice of reason into the proceedings. And ultimately we have long-term plans of re-aiming the Republican Party, but that's not going to happen before this fall.)
I still have some outstanding issues I'd like to hear Obama address. In the blueprint, he mentions nothing about the sacrifices we've made in terms of our individual rights and the loss of our basic constitutional protections. He says nothing at all about the Patriot Act, Real ID, the Department of Homeland Security, The Homegrown Terrorist Act, etc, etc, etc... That bothers me a great deal. The one thing that makes liberals tolerable is that they usually give some attention to civil liberties. Not if it interferes with their grand plans to "make people better", of course, but they at least tend to be better about this than the Republicans.
He doesn't seem to have much to say about the drug war either, except that he has 'no interest in legalization'.
I do like that he's pushing for more transparency and accountability in government. But that's one of those things every candidate says, and never does anything about if elected. The problem here, and with pretty much all of his solutions, is that he never gets to the root of he problem. He wants to curtail corporate influence in Washington, but fails to recognize the source of the problem - too much government power. When a government official can make or break a company, or an entire industry, with the stroke of a pen, those companies WILL find a way to influence that official, legal or otherwise.
He wants to get out of Iraq, but he doesn't seem to recognize the errors in our foreign policy that keep getting into wars like that in the first place.
He wants to make health care more available, but he wants to do it with more of the same policies that have created the mess in the first place.
What do you all think of him? My overall opinion is that he doesn't really offer any kind of substantial change. But that, in and of itself, is a refreshing change. He's also a decent PR man. I'm generally pretty dismissive of such superficialities, but after eight years of W, it's something we're starved for. I also like his intentions, for the most part. I don't think any of his proposed solutions will get us there.
In short, I think he'll make things worse. But I think that he'll at least slow the rate of acceleration as we swirl down the drain. I can't say that about McCain or Clinton.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
What do you all think of him? My overall opinion is that he doesn't really offer any kind of substantial change. But that, in and of itself, is a refreshing change. He's also a decent PR man. I'm generally pretty dismissive of such superficialities, but after eight years of W, it's something we're starved for. I also like his intentions, for the most part. I don't think any of his proposed solutions will get us there.
I think Obama is a good man, and if both houses of Congress were in Republican hands it wouldn't bother me to much to have him as President. With both houses in Democrat hands and Obama's "cult of personality", I think he could do substantial damage to this country. I tend to like divided government because change comes slowly and needs bipartisan support to happen. If Obama sweeps onto power with a perceived mandate, we could see "substantial change" in areas that will be almost impossible to reverse in the future. Areas like gun control and new government entitlement programs come to mind. I'm also concerned that his inexperience will allow foreign leaders like Putin and Chavez to walk all over him.
If Obama does become President we can only hope he messes up his first year in office bad enough(like Clinton did) that the Republicans can take back Congress in the midterm election.
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I don't like his gun control position but overall I think he's OK, somewhat better than Hillary, somewhat better than McCain. I wouldn't feel bad about voting for him unless he got all his gun control wishes which I don't think he will. I think he will likely be largely ineffectual as an agent of change but will probably at least keep things from getting much worse.
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I think his combination of inexperience and lack of ruthlessness will ensure nothing gets done, which normally wouldn't be so bad - IF our national course at this time wasn't headed straight off a cliff.
I'd rather chug a lug a bag fulla razor sharp rocksalt than vote for any of these establishment bastards, prolly write in Ron Paul, although...
Since he threw in the towel on us - something that I disagree with, but that's his decision for a tactical reason rather than just a lack of guts...
I dunno, if Obama looks like a shoe-in and it's damn near pointless, I might write in Al Sharpton out of pure spite.... he'd like that, since I owe him one over Genarlow Wilson still.
Of course, as for the Rethuglicans, I think the whole cursed party oughta be RICO'd, judicially lynched (hey, THEY put those fanatic judges there in the first place, only have themselves to blame!) and hung from the lightposts up on capitol hill.
Then do it to the Dimocrats, who, being dimmer and more tolerant, are less of a threat, but a threat all the same.
Then shoot the judges when we're done with em.
And good riddance to the whole bad lot.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Wait a minute..... you're still working for Ron Paul, the uber-Constitutionalist, but you're thinking of voting for Barack Hussein Obama ?? 
(Obama campaign office - Texas )
You can't be friggin serious.
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Who me ? are you insane ??
No way I could hold back the gag reflex to vote for Billary the NAFTA-pushin, Molech-humpin, Big Pharma pet bitch, I hate her almost as much as PN does, and I think that's sayin somethin 
Couldn't stomach Obama-lama-ding-dong neither, for reasons previously expressed... I just think we might wind up stuck with his wimpy well dressed ass cause he's not as much an obvious lunatic as the rest of em... pretty damn sad when he looks good by comparison, innit ?
And what do the Rethugs have but McCain... who's positions on a lot of things made this sudden, radical change after he got that nice fat chunka change to his campaign fund from AIPAC...
That was a while ago, mind - but if you go back and correllate the dates and the position turnarounds and swaps, you'll see they all happened in that week.
If anything it's amusing in a sad trainwreck fascination kinda way watching the mainstream media try to frost this turdcake of a "decision" to somehow make it more appealing to the masses, and of course, I laugh at the magic "29%" that they espouse every week right on schedule, when in fact it's closer to 14% give or take +/-3% depending on specific region.
It's also very telling that the people hate congress even WORSE for being the collaborators and enablers of this lame shit - I note they rolled over on the immunity thing, coulda toldja they were gonna do that, the gutless bitches.
On top of that, the blatant fraud and chicanery of the primaries has fully convinced me at this time that the entire electoral process is hopelessly compromised - especially since all that shit is fully documented and no one seems to much care... that apathy kinda scares me, makes me wonder if it's a calm before the storm...
In John Ringos The Road to Damascus even the proles eventually started blowing shit up, though it took em a while to get that pissed....
That's a book I think you'd like, Rap - while the "bad guys" encompass both ends of the political spectrum, it makes a decent case busting on liberal stupidities and end results as well, reading it would definately add to your stock of effective arguments against their policies.
It's a good read all on it's own, if you've ever liked Keith Laumers BOLO work, and the political aspect is just gravy on the side.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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A lotta people say he's just an empty suit. But thing is, I'd take an empty suit over a corporatist like Shrillary, a warmonger like McInsain, or a theocrat like Huckleberry any day.
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I think that, at least with Obama in office, I would actually be able to sit through a speech given by the President of the United States. I haven't been able to do that once yet (too young to care about Bill Clinton, and Bush... ugh). I also think that the country would be able to make it through any of them, but McCain really worries me, and Clinton probably can't win. So, it's Obama, a third-party, or a write-in vote for me.
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Originally posted by yinyang:
I think that, at least with Obama in office, I would actually be able to sit through a speech given by the President of the United States....
I've resisted the idea that this should matter at all for a long time. But I think that presidents can fill a valuable role as a 'spokesperson' for their country. Not only when representing us to the rest of the world, but in being able inspire the nation.
By some accounts, JFK wasn't much of a president. But he'll remain one of the most beloved presidents because he had the ability to make the nation feel good about itself - something we desperately need after the last seven years. That's why, regardless of the fact that I disagree with his political ideology almost 100%, I'm thinking Obama could be a decent president, at least better than Clinton or McCain.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Obama IS going to be the next President.
I watched the 3 speeches last night...his, McCain's and Hillary's. He blew them all away. Hillary came off as a pathetically deperate shell of a woman, so full of lies and bullshit that all she can muster up is something akin to "a chicken in every pot." McCain looked old & feeble, mumbling some rambling crap about his experience, in front of a few hand-picked Repub wonks jockeying for a potential Cabinet postition or something...totally non-Presidential. Obama won the night. In front of a packed arena with 18,000 screaming college kids...it looked like the Beatles at Shea Stadium. His speech was terrific, and full of historical events that changed the course of history. It sounded like a mix of JFK and MLK...very appealing to those Bush-haters and even Independents wanting change. He may be even more popular than Hannah Montana! Hillary will be finished after Ohio & Texas, and Obama (along with his fervently biased-in-his-favor media) will pound McCain into the ground.
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