Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, October 19, 2025 12:43
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Bottled up Gaza, blocked FOOD and FUEL to everyone.
Left the entire population of Gaza without sewage and water, and reduced electricity
Militarily attacked in eight ground incursions (using tanks), 15 air strikes and 10 missile launches.
Killed 42 Palestinians and injured 117.
Meanwhile, Hamas:
Launched 150 rocket attacks against Israel
Injured 11 Israelis.
So... how does that make this "better" for Israel?
From the same article
Much of this condemnation was based on a lie propagated by Hamas and repeated at the UN. The South African ambassador claimed, for example, "1.5 million people had been left without water, electricity and basic sewage" in Gaza. In fact, the supply of electricity to Gaza from the Israeli and Egyptian power grids (124 megawatts and 17 megawatts, respectively) has continued uninterrupted. This supply represents about 75 percent of Gaza's electricity needs. The remaining 25% is from a power plant in Gaza that is run by fuel supplied by Israel. Since only some of Gaza's fuel supply was cut by Israel, Hamas could have kept running that plant as well, but chose to shut it down as a propaganda stunt.
If the Palestinians are completely sealed up and lacking in food and fuel, where do all of the damn rockets come from? Maybe there is a clue in the same article,
It is telling that the one country that could have prevented this "cycle of violence" - that is both Hamas's aggression and Israel's measures to defend itself - was not mentioned in the debate. That country was Egypt, which even had the temerity to join the chorus against what it called Israel's "brutal punitive measures."
The moment Hamas took over Gaza in June, Egypt could have tightly controlled its border and prevented tons of weaponry, including sophisticated rockets, from entering the Strip. It could have closed the revolving door for terrorists leaving for training and returning to join Hamas's increasingly dangerous army. It did not.
Now, as a result of its propaganda victory, Hamas has allowed itself to blow up the Egyptian border fence, while Egypt ignores its signed deals with Israel and does nothing to close or even monitor the border. Among the ordinary Palestinians streaming through to buy cheaper goods on the Egyptian side, we can be sure Hamas is bringing in more weapons, money and terrorists. By playing into Hamas's hands, failing to punish aggression, and refusing to hold Egypt responsible for stopping the weapons buildup, the UN is sowing the seeds of the next war and strengthening the forces it claims to wish to isolate. And it is doing this in the name of peace and humanitarian law - while producing the exact opposite.
So even countries with signed treaties with Israel cannot be trusted to hold up their end of the bargain. Do you think instances like this leave Israel trusting her neighbours more or less?
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1201070775918&pagename=JPos
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Just a little something to try help balance the anti-Israel links supplied thus far.
Interesting, BDM, thanks...but this one bit:
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Hamas has allowed itself to blow up the Egyptian border fence, while Egypt ignores its signed deals with Israel and does nothing to close or even monitor the border. Among the ordinary Palestinians streaming through to buy cheaper goods on the Egyptian side,
Come on, if this doesn't absolutely scream self-serving spin, then I don't know what does. Not that I don't hear it in anti-Israeli Government stuff too, I just want to say that we never seem to get a 100% true picture from ANY source.
Moderate Chrisisall
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Quote:That tells me how corrupt the Palestine 'leadership' is.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
If the Palestinians are completely sealed up and lacking in food and fuel, where do all of the damn rockets come from?
And once again, the poor average people are oppressed- by BOTH sides.
GrrrrChrisisall
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Quote:There is no such thing as an impartial perspective, Finn. The fact that you dismiss what peeps actually experience because, well, they experienced it, say a lot about your 'impartial' view
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Just because you call yourself a Human Rights Organization or been in the IDF doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about or have an honest or fair assessment. In fact, some of these people become polarized because of the traumatic things they’ve seen or done, and it becomes more difficult for them to view the situation with a fair or impartial perspective.
.But thanks for giving me you perspective on the whole mess, it was genuinely helpful.
Appreciative Chrisisall
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GAZA:
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[Israel still controls Gazan borders, airspace and territorial waters. The Israeli human rights organization B'tselem said in November 2006 that "the broad scope of Israeli control in the Gaza Strip creates a strong case for the claim that Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip continue." [4] University of London, School of Oriental and African Studies, law professor Iain Scobbie noted in 2006 that "Israel retains absolute authority over Gaza’s airspace and territorial sea. It is manifestly exercising governmental authority in these areas.... it is clear that Israeli withdrawal of land forces did not terminate occupation." ... Prior to Israel's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip, the United States considered the Gaza Strip to be an Israel-occupied territory. Following the withdrawal, no official US government statement has been made on the status of the Strip. However, the CIA World Factbook (2007)... continues to list the Gaza Strip as an Israeli-occupied territory.
BDN Rockets can be stored for a long time. Food, fuel, water, and access to sewage treatment are critical items. Having rockets doesn't mean having everything else. That has got to be the stupidest argument I've ever heard from you.
Let me try and put this into a realistic scale: Lets say that a rich kid (I'll call him Rich Kid) gets beat up on campus by a poor kid with an ax to grind (called, unimaginatively, Poor Kid). Rich Kid's jaw gets busted and his kuckles scraped. So Rich Kid and his Dad go to Poor Kid's neighborhood. They vandalize about 1000 homes, torch those that they think belong to Poor Kid's relatives, and beat up 14 of what they think are Poor Kid's friends, four of them to death. That's about the scale of what's been happening between Israel and Gaza, with (to make this pellucidly clear) Israel being the Rich Kid.
At some point you stop pumping your fist "YES!!!" at Rich Kid's response because at some point you realize that it's no longer about defense, it's pathological.
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Always look upstream.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Interesting, BDM, thanks...but this one bit:Quote:
Hamas has allowed itself to blow up the Egyptian border fence, while Egypt ignores its signed deals with Israel and does nothing to close or even monitor the border. Among the ordinary Palestinians streaming through to buy cheaper goods on the Egyptian side,
Come on, if this doesn't absolutely scream self-serving spin, then I don't know what does. Not that I don't hear it in anti-Israeli Government stuff too, I just want to say that we never seem to get a 100% true picture from ANY source.
Krisisall,
What about the quote above is spin? Did the wall not blow up? Did it blow itself up? Did Egypt try to control the border?
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The Israeli/Palestinian matter is a weighty one, polarized by strong opinion and fraught with a history of confrontation, mistrust and mistakes. Having lived there twice I can tell you that the land is a beautiful one, but pocked with unseen pitfalls like a political and social minefield. I have personally witnessed mistakes from both sides of what used to be a only symbolic fence, now a much more literal one. It's a heartbreaking country to live in, but as much as it fails in some places it works in others.
Take Bethlehem for instance. When I lived there in 1987 you could see Bethlehem from the hillside of Ramat Rachel. Bethlehem was a small, but sprawling community of modest homes and elegant churches of all religions. Now, it looks like a maximum security prison. The contrast is so utterly horrifying that it defies words. You cannot imagine such a thing until you are standing in the shadow of it.
Then there's Haifa. It's a cosmopolitan city populated by Jews, Christians and Muslims all living and working together. My Jewish and Muslim friends both agree that Haifa works. Somehow, despite years of trying and failing everywhere else, Haifa works. There is a calm there that exists nowhere else in that war torn country.
Hate has a way of feeding upon itself and others generation to generation. I have talked with very rational people who lose all sense of self and reason when they try to come to an understanding about Israel and Palestine. There are of course numerous reasons why people fight so passionately about the subject. Some good reasons, some bad, and some desperate and necessary. Having lived there I can tell you, you never stop loving the place. You never stop hoping that a rational and mutually beneficial compromise will solve the problem once and for all.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
BDN Rockets can be stored for a long time. Food, fuel, water, and access to sewage treatment are critical items. Having rockets doesn't mean having everything else. That has got to be the stupidest argument I've ever heard from you.
Perhaps if food, fuel, and water were stored instead of rockets the Palestinians would be better off, as well as the Israelis.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
At some point you stop pumping your fist "YES!!!" at Rich Kid's response because at some point you realize that it's no longer about defense
Devil's Advocate for a second, Signy.
Why don't Hamas send rockets into the walls, or into tanks- why hit where civilians are? This would seem to support Finn's idea that corrupt warlords want to see no end to the struggle.
Seeking Chrisisall
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