Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
It’s about Palestinian war lords living high on the hog, like mafia dons over their own little piece of “Sicily” and the longer they can keep the violence and hatred going the longer they can hold their power.

But why would the average Palestinian go along with that? Unless they were REALLY poor, or oppressed or something...something about this still don't make sense to me. You don't get the support of a people who are basically content and fed to rise against an otherwise benign government... or do the warlords operate without support?

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The Israelis aren’t racists out to stick it to the Palestinians. They’re just like you and me -

Totally, just like the Palestinians.

So is it basically the Israeli Gov't VS evil warlords with innocent bystanders on both sides in the crossfire, in your view?

Trying to harden the targetisall

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:30 PM

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These just a huge difference between actions taken to further security or defense and actions taken on a basis of racism.

That depends on the action, doesn't it? Because there you go again, confusing "intent" with results. See, it's not aparthied because I have nothing against a persons' race. I just stole his land and built a wall 'cause I don't like his religion.

*smacks forehead*
Of course! How could I have not seen that before!

Killing people for good reasonsisall.

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Always look upstream.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
But why would the average Palestinian go along with that? Unless they were REALLY poor, or oppressed or something...something about this still don't make sense to me. You don't get the support of a people who are basically content and fed to rise against an otherwise benign government... or do the warlords operate without support?

I don’t know that they are going along with it. Most Palestinians are not suicide bombers, but in the disputed territories they are certainly very poor and oppressed probably wouldn’t be a bad word either. What is there not to make sense? Crime bosses have held entire cities hostage in the US, where we aren’t subject to the chaos of civil war. In the disputed territories, militia warlords control everything - the food, the fuel, what you can think or say. Palestinians in the disputed territories are caught in the middle of war most of them would just as soon be over. They prefer the stability and prosperity of Israel to the poverty and oppression imposed on them by nationalist and religious fanatical militias and they zealous wars they fight, but they don’t have any way out.

I don’t know how to get rid of the destructive elements in the Palestinian culture. A lot has been tried. Destroying houses and targeted assassinations for instance are attempts to take the fight away from the impoverished Palestinians caught in the crossfire and directly to the warlords who instigate the whole mess. In theory it should work, but I don’t know that Israel can practice it enough to make an effect. As soon as they do, some loon in the media reports on how they’re destroying poor Palestinians homes and then people, who are largely ignorant of the whole affair, start accusing Israel of being Nazis. Another thing they could try is to annex the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, thereby making the Palestinian government illegal. The action would eliminate much of the wealthy crust from which Palestinians warlords spring, and it would make Palestinians officially Israeli-Arabs, subject to full Israeli citizenship and all the benefits thereof, but it would also strain the Israeli economy and piss off a lot of Arab nations and all those ignorant people would still accuse Israelis of being Nazis for “stealing” Palestinian land.

I sometimes wonder if the real problem in this whole affair is the degree of ignorance with which the world views it, then anything local to Israel. Palestinian and Lebanese warlords have figured out that as long as they can keep the world’s attention on the poor Palestinian and IDF violence taken out of context, they can be some of the most successful crime bosses in the world. The Palestinian territories are the only place on earth, that I know of, where once you rise to the level of supreme terrorist lord, you’re rewarded with a seat on the General Assembly and a Nobel Peace Prize.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
That depends on the action, doesn't it?

No. Apartheid is racial segregation. That’s not what's happening in Israel.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CANTTAKESKY

Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:53 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Wow, talk about splitting fucking hairs! Thanks Finn, you made my day.

My "wow" came when he said this:

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Originally posted by Finn:
So the West Bank is Israeli territory.

Funny, members of the Israeli Defense Forces call it the "Occupied Territories." (See quote below.) Here's some hair-splitting rationalization that even the Israeli's don't do.

And then another "wow" when he said this:

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Palestinians in Israel aren’t being made to leave so Israelis can build settlements.

(Yeah, cause they were made to leave back in 1967.) Talk about precision hair-splitting.

-----Footnote on the "Occupied Territories"------

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http://www.seruv.org/english/combatants_letter.asp

We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, self-sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it.

We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty in the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people.

We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides,

We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Occupied Territories destroy all the values that we were raised upon,

We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF’s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society,

We, who know that the Territories are not a part of Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated,

We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements.

We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.

We hereby declare that we shall continue serving the Israel Defense Force in any mission that serves Israel’s defense.

The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose – and we shall take no part in them.

-------End footnote---------

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We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
--Courage to Refuse, IDF soldiers who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Funny, members of the Israeli Defense Forces call it the "Occupied Territories." (See quote below.) Here's some hair-splitting rationalization that even the Israeli's don't do.

The correct term is disputed territories.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:29 PM

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1201070775918&pagename=JPos
t%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Just a little something to try help balance the anti-Israel links supplied thus far.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:19 AM

Wow. Finn splits another.

Take the beam out of your fucking eye, Finn.

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Always look upstream.

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
The correct term is disputed territories.

And who decides that is the correct term?

Cause you know, everybody else outside of the government of Israel (and its sympathizers) calls it "occupied territories." This includes, as I mentioned, members of the IDF who served in said territories.

I suspect that many Americans support the fantasy that these territories are not occupied because they have never been occupied themselves. But anyone who has been subject to occupation KNOWS what occupation is and when one has been occupied. And those refuseniks understood and were honest enough to acknowledge that this is an occupation.

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We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
--Courage to Refuse Combatant's Letter, signed by Israeli Defense Forces soldiers who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories

CANTTAKESKY

Friday, January 25, 2008 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Just a little something to try help balance the anti-Israel links supplied thus far.

I supplied most of the links so far on this thread, and all the links I supplied are Israeli links.

So they are hardly anti-Israeli.

Unless you would call an American website criticizing American govt or policy (be it left or right) anti-American.

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We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people.
--Courage to Refuse Combatant's Letter, signed by Israeli Defense Forces soldiers who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories

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