Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:53 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Well first of all, why is it Palestinian land?

It's just that there's this group of people, and they live where they do, and if other peeps draw lines on maps and tell them to move, they should have a place for them to move TO that's not prison-like, in my view.

Hmmm...
Radical Palestinian:
I think I'll send some missiles into a Jewish hospital, that will get them to be sympathetic to my cause...

Israeli Government:
I think we'll cage and starve peeps not directly responsible for that hospital attack, that should get the missiles to stop...

I just don't see no sense here...

Confounded Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:00 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Well first of all, why is it Palestinian land?
It's just that there's this group of people, and they live where they do, and if other peeps draw lines on maps and tell them to move, they should have a place for them to move TO that's not prison-like, in my view.

But that’s not what’s going on. Palestinians in Israel aren’t being made to leave so Israelis can build settlements. The Israelis are building settlements in suburbs or undeveloped land, just like we do here. They aren’t kicking Palestinians off their land. Now the Palestinians face a lot of hardship, but that has to do with the Palestinian government, not the Israelis. Palestinians living in Israel outside of the disputed territories live very well compared to Arabs in other Middle Eastern countries. If you get rid of the terrorist warlords strong-arm control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Palestinians would be living very well in all of Israel.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:23 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
But that’s not what’s going on. Palestinians in Israel aren’t being made to leave so Israelis can build settlements.

So would you say that this is a mischaracterization?:

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Since 1967 Israel has imposed its control over the Palestinian territories in the manner of a colonizing power, under the guise of occupation. It has permanently seized the territories' most desirable parts — the holy sites in East Jerusalem, Hebron and Bethlehem and the fertile agricultural lands along the western border and in the Jordan Valley — and settled its own Jewish "colonists" throughout the land.

Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories has many features of colonization. At the same time it has many of the worst characteristics of apartheid. The West Bank has been fragmented into three areas — north (Jenin and Nablus), center (Ramallah) and south (Hebron) — which increasingly resemble the Bantustans of South Africa.

Restrictions on freedom of movement imposed by a rigid permit system enforced by some 520 checkpoints and roadblocks resemble, but in severity go well beyond, apartheid's "pass system." And the security apparatus is reminiscent of that of apartheid, with more than 10,000 Palestinians in Israeli prisons and frequent allegations of torture and cruel treatment.

Many aspects of Israel's occupation surpass those of the apartheid regime. Israel's large-scale destruction of Palestinian homes, leveling of agricultural lands, military incursions and targeted assassinations of Palestinians far exceed any similar practices in apartheid South Africa.

http://www.countercurrents.org/pa-dugard011206.htm

(?)Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
But that’s not what’s going on. Palestinians in Israel aren’t being made to leave so Israelis can build settlements.
So would you say that this is a mischaracterization?:

Yes. Neither the Israeli settlements, nor the wall, are apartheid. Apartheid is racial segregation - that’s not what’s going on in Israel.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:40 PM

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Yes. Neither the Israeli settlements, nor the wall, are apartheid. Apartheid is racial segregation - that’s not what’s going on in Israel

Wow, talk about splitting fucking hairs! Thanks Finn, you made my day.

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It's not murder. Because we didn't kill people, just foreigners.

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:46 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Yes. Neither the Israeli settlements, nor the wall, are apartheid. Apartheid is racial segregation - that’s not what’s going on in Israel
Wow, talk about splitting fucking hairs! Thanks Finn, you made my day.

It’s not splitting hairs at all. These just a huge difference between actions taken to further security or defense and actions taken on a basis of racism. These are two completely different things.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:49 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Neither the Israeli settlements, nor the wall, are apartheid. Apartheid is racial segregation - that’s not what’s going on in Israel.

Let me re-phrase: Is this what has happened or is happening?:

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[Israel] has permanently seized the territories' most desirable parts — the holy sites in East Jerusalem, Hebron and Bethlehem and the fertile agricultural lands along the western border and in the Jordan Valley — and settled its own Jewish "colonists" throughout the land.

Israel's large-scale destruction of Palestinian homes, leveling of agricultural lands, military incursions and targeted assassinations of Palestinians far exceed any similar practices in apartheid South Africa.

There. Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:09 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Let me re-phrase: Is this what has happened or is happening?:

No. Israel has not “seized” the West Bank, since the 1967 War. The West Bank is Israeli territory under a military administration. The land in the West Bank that is subject to settlement are lands that has been privately bought and developed. Israelis are usually better off then Palestinians living in the disputed territories, so they can afford larger houses and more amenities - as a result it may often appear to some that Israelis are “seizing” the “most desirable parts,” but that’s not really what is happening. And the violence instigated by Palestinian terrorists has taken a heavy toll on the economy of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

I’ve never heard of the IDF leveling agricultural lands, but it may have happened for some reasons. They do destroy the homes of terrorist warlords, military incursions and targeted assassinations. And these things would seem to exceed the violence commonly found under Apartheid in South Africa - but that’s a mischaracterization, because this isn’t Apartheid, it’s a civil war, and civil wars are like that.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

CHRISISALL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:20 PM

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And the violence instigated by Palestinian terrorists has taken a heavy toll on the economy of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

So the PLO, anti-faddahs (I must have spelled that wrongish), terrorism, stone-throwing and violence in general is all because the Israelis can afford bigger and better houses, and not because of oppression and/or mistreatment of Palestinians? Colours them a right petty bunch, by that reckoning....

Chrisisall

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And the violence instigated by Palestinian terrorists has taken a heavy toll on the economy of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

So the PLO, anti-faddahs (I must have spelled that wrongish), terrorism, stone-throwing and violence in general is all because the Israelis can afford bigger and better houses, and not because of oppression and/or mistreatment of Palestinians? Colours them a right petty bunch, by that reckoning....

No. It’s about Palestinian war lords living high on the hog, like mafia dons over their own little piece of “Sicily” and the longer they can keep the violence and hatred going the longer they can hold their power.

The Israelis aren’t racists out to stick it to the Palestinians. They’re just like you and me - they’re trying to build a prosperous life and they’re doing a good job of it. Israel is one the wealthiest and freest nations in the Middle East and has one of the highest standard of living, and Israelis, whether Jewish or Arab, do very well, because of that. It doesn’t make them bad guys.

And the word I think you’re looking for is intifada.

Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.

Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.

-- Cicero

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