Israelis Create Warsaw Ghetto in Gaza
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UPDATED: Sunday, October 19, 2025 12:43
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Jongstraw....
Just a quick question. Are you jewish?
Are you making a list or something.
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Quote:...not if you can derail the discussion with bad analogies, or claims of emotionalism or anti-Zionism and such.
Originally posted by SignyM:
This is a real question and bears directly on the current problem.
Palistinians had their land took from them- in recent, living memory- and they deserve to get some back, period.
How peeps cannot see this is just lack of logic skills.
Or meanness.
Bottom-lining Chrisisall
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Fletch,
I honestly doubt we couldn't work something out, but assuming for the moment the guy was bonkers enough to be that extreme about it ?
In the end... no, if it's an all or nothing thing with him and he will not negotiate then I would defend it, sure.
That whole mess went down long before either one of us was born, we can only take responsibility for actions WE have committed in our own lifetimes, is my way of looking at it.
It's not like I went over into his land and built a house on it, then started moving the fence further out, either, which is happening within the lifetimes of the folk over there.
Pondering this, imma make a relative note in the L&A thread, on something that just came to mind, however.
Not that I would feel all that great about doing so, but I'm not gonna sit here and lie to ya, nope - remember I pointed out the desperation factor that caused the initial blowup that has lead to this lunacy, comes a time when you CAN indeed have two mutually-exclusive "right" answers and folks killin each other over em, the world ain't perfect, and prolly ain't ever gonna be.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Yeah, over 200 rockets fired into Israel from Gaza THIS YEAR. Best to treat them like civilized folk and act as if everything's all right. 
It is not those who use the term "Islamo-Fascism" who are sullying the name of Islam; it is the Islamo-Fascists. - Dennis Prager
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Palistinians had their land took from them- in recent, living memory- and they deserve to get some back, period.
How peeps cannot see this is just lack of logic skills.
Or meanness.
Ehud Barack and Bill Clinton offered Arafat exactly what you say the Palestinians "deserve" and Arafat turned it down. The reason he turned it down is because it's not land they want, they want to kill all the Jews or remove them from the region.
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Quote:Negative for me. (The most I've done is visited Egypt for 2 weeks.)
As a point of curiosity, of the people posting in this thread, how many of you have lived or are currently living in Israel, Gaza or Egypt?
However, here are a couple of websites documenting Israeli human rights violations from people who live there.
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http://www.seruv.org.il/english/article.asp?msgid=263&type=news
Courage to Refuse Calls: Refuse to Shoot at Gaza’s Civilians 23/06/2006
...We call IDF soldiers - pilots, navy officers and combatant and soldiers serving in the artillery units to refuse to shoot at Gaza.
IDF’s shooting at Gaza has already killed dozens of innocent civilians, among them young children, and achieved nothing but the an increase in the number of Kassam missiles fired at southern Israel from Gaza and an escalation in Palestinian hate and violence towards Israel. The IDF Shooting and bombardment of crowded residential areas in Gaza is a war crime that jeopardizes Israel’s morality and security.
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http://www.btselem.org/english/Gaza_Strip/20080121_Increase_of_sanctio
n_on_Gaza.asp
21.1.08: Israeli and Palestinian organizations petition High Court to resume fuel supply to Gaza
...The power station supplies electricity to institutions that provide vital services to the residents, such as Shifa Hospital (the largest hospital in the Gaza Strip), the sewage treatment facility in Gaza City, and dozens of wells, sewage pumps, medical clinics, and schools. The hospitals have generators, but they are unable to produce the requisite amount of electricity, and the interruption in power supply causes a variety of malfunctions, inevitably harming the patients. The residents also suffer severe cutbacks in water supply. In Gaza City, for example, the residents do not have running water eight hours a day.
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Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs.
--Gandhi, Gandhi's Collected Works, Vol 74 (1938)
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Quote:Well, some, you know, residual anger is understandable....
Originally posted by Kirkules:
The reason he turned it down is because it's not land they want, they want to kill all the Jews or remove them from the region.
(that was not serious)
Just shoot anyone holding a gun on either side then.
(neither was that)
I have no answers.
(that was serious)
Politically lost Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I honestly doubt we couldn't work something out, but assuming for the moment the guy was bonkers enough to be that extreme about it ?
In the end... no, if it's an all or nothing thing with him and he will not negotiate then I would defend it, sure.
Why is he the one that is being bonkers? Just a question here? From his standpoint he's the owner and from yours you are. Depending on point of view you are both right. So why is his view bonkers? Surely it can be no more bonkers than yours?
Can it?
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Not that I would feel all that great about doing so, but I'm not gonna sit here and lie to ya, nope - remember I pointed out the desperation factor that caused the initial blowup that has lead to this lunacy, comes a time when you CAN indeed have two mutually-exclusive "right" answers and folks killin each other over em, the world ain't perfect, and prolly ain't ever gonna be.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
No that essentially is my take on the problem too. A lot of arguments have two sides that are equally valid when viewed from one perspective or the other. That's why the stickiest and most divisive arguments a society gets into are when two different sets of rights come into conflict.
That is why I don't trust any explanation that either says that we will never get those kinds of conflicts or that people will be adult enough to always deal with them.
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Quote:Well, there are no easy answers, that is for sure.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I have no answers.
(that was serious)
However, I have been following the work of Father Elias Chacour, who has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his work in the region. He is a Palestinian Melkite Priest (Orthodox Christian) who has built several schools and one university in Israel. His "answer" is to encourage new generations of Arabs, Jews, and Christians to learn together and play together, so that when they grow up, they are less likely to kill each other.
He focuses on education because generations of Palestinians have grown up without adequate education. Lack of education breeds hopelessness, and hopelessness breeds violence. He talks about it more in his book, Blood Brothers. (It's a great eye-opener, for anyone who is interested in the history of the conflict. His perspective as a Palestinian Christian is very unique.)
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I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. The materialism of affluent Christian countries appears to contradict the claims of Jesus Christ that says it's not possible to worship both Mammon and God at the same time.
--Mahatma Gandhi
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Originally posted by canttakesky:
Lack of education breeds hopelessness, and hopelessness breeds violence.
That is the one constant in hate and prejudice & when we learn that our brothers and sisters on this planet are REALLY our brothers and sisters, with the same basic programs and sub-routines as us, we are less likely to go "oh well..." when they go hungry or face horrendous times.
Humbleisall
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