More Star Trek... sheesh.

POSTED BY: Thundar
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 14:30
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CAPNRAHN

Sunday, April 25, 2004 5:59 PM

It is all a matter of relative perspective.

But if you don't watch something - how can you have a {sorry for this harsh point} 'valid' opinon?

All shows have clunkers, some more than others.

For example I have watched around 60 episodes (out of appox. 125+) of Bab 5 - and never got into it.

Like Bab 5 or not - I still don't feel qualified to say too much on the shows merits or lack thereof. I lack the full experance of the show. However the ones I did see did not motivated me to suffer through the drenn I did not like. So I might have missed some pearls hiding within the offal.

But! I still will engage in a fun debate about them!

Sigh, but debate is alomst a lost cause. It seems a large portion of fans slip into the 'FANatic mode' and make it seem the show (any not just Bab5 or Trek) is the "BE ALL END ALL" {BAEA} of all shows.

There can never be a "BAEA" will never happen ... all because of relative perspective!

Well, unless the there is a nuclear holocaust and there is only one survivor - and he dos'na break his/her glasses!

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

WHOODAHN

Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by Cleaner:
Sad to see FF fans trashing a show so badly that others enjoy.

Never been a big trek fan but I think (and friends of mine) Startrek has never been as good as Enterprise is. Not brilliant but better than TNG, Voyager, DS9.

A coherent story which all ties together season to season, episode to episode. None of the PC bull**** of TNG and not the soapopera in space of DS9 and NO KIDS!!!.

It's funny to see you contradict yourself in your own post.

I liked TNG and the first season of DS9. I also like Voyager when it first started, then I got bored with it and started watching again when Jeri Ryan joined. I watch Enterprise but almost every episode I've seen is a rehash of something that TNG or Voyager already did. I hoping it gets better. I haven't seen 'Damage' yet but I heard it's good.

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3OF19

Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:06 PM

Well, Enterprise took it's time, but I've really liked the third season so far. The choices the crew has faced this season have made for some interesting storylines, compared to most of the stand-alone episodes of seasons 1 and 2.

What Enterprise needs to do after this whole Xindi storyline is wrapped up at the end of the season, is really take the plunge into biiig sweeping storylines that flesh out the Star Trek universe. These episodes have been the highpoints of the first seasons (Broken Bow, The Andorian Incident, Shadows of P'jem, Fallen Hero, Carbon Creek, Minefield, Dead Stop, Cease Fire, Future Tense, and First Flight).
Enterprise needs to find a voice that is dictinctively its own instead of singing in the TOS/TNG/VOY choir of space mystery/moral dilemma of the week. There have been plenty of those eps, and while ENT can do these kinds of episodes well (Cogenitor for example) tying them into an overall arc gives such episodes much more power, like Similitude.
I'm sad that the ratings for Enterprise this year don't represent the increase in quality the show has had, but I hope TPTB won't turn back to the more episodic format. Enterprise has a lot of potential. They should use it.

LINDLEY

Monday, April 26, 2004 12:52 AM

DS9 had evolving relationships, but it wasn't a soap opera. Not by a long shot. In fact, I think its the best of the Trek series.

GUNRUNNER

Monday, April 26, 2004 2:18 AM

Yes Lindley DS9 was the best of the ST shows, the entire show was one big sweeping story arc from the end of season 2.

As for the Post Xdni Enterpise storys I can only hope that it has lots of Romulans.

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THUNDAR

Monday, April 26, 2004 2:25 AM

I watch every episode of Enterprise. Watched every episode of Voyeur, DS9, TNG and ToS.

The problem, as I see it, with Star Trek, is Brannon and Bragga. They have or had a comfortable franchise and are afraid to take many chances. They rehash old storylines over and over. In Enterprise, they are putting a lot of storyline into the time-travel aspect and introducing races that should not be around then. There isn't much continuity in the Brannon-Bragga Star trek universe.

Good Sci-Fi is character based. Firefly, Star Trek ToS, Farscape, Star Gate SG1, etc. Sci-Fi like ST:TNG, DS9 and Voyeur seems to be based more on faux science and not the character interaction that makes good stories. Enterprise is struggling very hard to have good stories but it needs new writers and producers badly.

CAPNRAHN

Monday, April 26, 2004 2:57 AM

'Enterprise' is NOT in the continunity of classic Trek.

The writers were taking several 'somethings' from "First Contact" and extrapolating from it.

The Borg & Enterprise E crew is at fault for TOTALLY changing history.

What would YOU do if you found out you were the Leonardo DaVinci, Guttenburg, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison of your time.

Even to see {sorta} the future epitiom of your discoverys?

"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"

CYBERSNARK

Monday, April 26, 2004 3:57 PM

I agree that one of the things I'd like to see next season is more of the Vulcan/Andorian relations, and how the humans manage to turn these enemies into neighbours, if not allies (doubt any real alliances formed until after the Romulan War).

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Originally posted by CapnRahn:
'Enterprise' is NOT in the continunity of classic Trek.

The writers were taking several 'somethings' from "First Contact" and extrapolating from it.

The Borg & Enterprise E crew is at fault for TOTALLY changing history.

Arguably. Cochran's warp flight and first contact with the Vulcans went pretty much as planned (who's ever gonna remember the names of two random techs who flew co-pilot?)

TNG established the idea of being able to alter memories, so both Cochrane and Sloan could've been "reset" before Enterprise left. Even if they didn't, they could easily have sworn Sloan (a military girl) to secrecy. Who would've believed her anyway?

All anyone needs to know was that someone (either "Eastern Coalition," or random terrorists) attacked the Phoenix facilities. Most of the staff was killed off, but Dr. Cochrane managed to make the launch on his own with the help of a handful of passing strangers.

Years later, some unidentified alien cyborgs were found in some crashed wreckage, stole a ship, tried to send a signal to the Delta Quadrant, and were destroyed. No one expects anything to come of it.

It's not til centuries later that Q actually introduces the Borg that somebody looks at a history tape and makes the connection.

Same thing with the "Ferengi Kerfuffle." All Archer & crew know is that some unidentified aliens tried to steal their stuff. No one knows who they are until centuries later, when a ship belonging to someone called "the Ferengi" attacks Picard's Stargazer. It'll be into TNG before anyone sees a Ferengi's face and can make the connection to the wandering pirates who raided NX-01.

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What would YOU do if you found out you were the Leonardo DaVinci, Guttenburg, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison of your time.

Iff I was as fame-shy as Cochrane was in FC ("Everyone who's ever had a statue built of them was some kinda sum'bitch or another"

), I'd hop the first experimental ship to unexplored space.

Probably ending up right where Kirk's crew found him in TOS.

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HARPIE

Monday, April 26, 2004 4:48 PM

Speaking as a Trekkie I think a new ST movie will be most welcome. If you don't like ST then don't watch the new movie, it's as simple as that.
ST has been around for over 30 years so there are plenty of fans who would still be excited for more ST. I admit Enterprise hasn't been up to par so far, but give it a chance. TNG was terrible the first couple of years.
Earlier on in this thread someone mentioned that we need to support all SciFi shows(I can't remember who, sorry :( . Especially with so few good SciFi shows on the air and shows that are barely given the chance to succeed.

Trekkie,Browncoat,Leaper,MSTie

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Monday, April 26, 2004 9:35 PM

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Originally posted by CapnRahn:
What would YOU do if you found out you were the Guttenburg of your time?

For the good of humanity, I would throw myself from the tallest building upon being passed the script for Police Academy 2.

"I threw up on your bed"

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