More Star Trek... sheesh.
POSTED BY: Thundar
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 14:30
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Originally posted by Harpie:
TNG was terrible the first couple of years.
Was it? I'm trying to think back to when I first watched it, and I have to say that isn't my recollection - ignoring Shades of Grey and the like. You had episodes like Measure of a Man in there.
"I threw up on your bed"
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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:Quote:
Originally posted by CapnRahn:
What would YOU do if you found out you were the Guttenburg of your time?
For the good of humanity, I would throw myself from the tallest building upon being passed the script for Police Academy 2.
HA HA! MBV - ya gymboyd!
I ment the inventor of the printing press!
"Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!"
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Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!
So much for the principle of non-contradiction! Philosophy and rational thought are tossed out the window.
Arawaen
Um, I'm lost. Uh, I'm Angry. And I'm Armed.
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Yes, the first season did officially suck, then the second season picked up steam. When they got the new uniforms with the crisp collars things really took off. That's just the way crisp collars work.
"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"
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Originally posted by CapnRahn:
HA HA! MBV - ya gymboyd!
I ment the inventor of the printing press!
Ohhh - my bad. Always confuse him with Caxton, the guy from Aliens and Twister.
Game over man, game over.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Arguably. Cochran's warp flight and first contact with the Vulcans went pretty much as planned (who's ever gonna remember the names of two random techs who flew co-pilot?)
TNG established the idea of being able to alter memories, so both Cochrane and Sloan could've been "reset" before Enterprise left. Even if they didn't, they could easily have sworn Sloan (a military girl) to secrecy. Who would've believed her anyway?
All anyone needs to know was that someone (either "Eastern Coalition," or random terrorists) attacked the Phoenix facilities. Most of the staff was killed off, but Dr. Cochrane managed to make the launch on his own with the help of a handful of passing strangers.
Years later, some unidentified alien cyborgs were found in some crashed wreckage, stole a ship, tried to send a signal to the Delta Quadrant, and were destroyed. No one expects anything to come of it.
It's not til centuries later that Q actually introduces the Borg that somebody looks at a history tape and makes the connection.
Same thing with the "Ferengi Kerfuffle." All Archer & crew know is that some unidentified aliens tried to steal their stuff. No one knows who they are until centuries later, when a ship belonging to someone called "the Ferengi" attacks Picard's Stargazer. It'll be into TNG before anyone sees a Ferengi's face and can make the connection to the wandering pirates who raided NX-01.Quote:Iff I was as fame-shy as Cochrane was in FC ("Everyone who's ever had a statue built of them was some kinda sum'bitch or another"
What would YOU do if you found out you were the Leonardo DaVinci, Guttenburg, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison of your time.
Probably ending up right where Kirk's crew found him in TOS.
LOL, meebe we should make another thread to tackle what I mean.
You bring up good points, but that is not what I was talking about.
Cochran saw the Enterprise - would that not affect his design choices?
I know the E-NX01 is back-modeled from the Akira - but remember the only view of the E-E Cochran saw was a fuzzy image thu the telescope and a short view in space just before the Phoenix 'warped'.
That had to alter his actions in the future. After meeting the Vulcan ... well that is left up to speculation.
BUT, Cochran did hang around to work on the warp 5 development project.
Ah hell ... this is going to be long.
So, I'll say this - I do have a few friends and aquiantences'inside' Paramount and specifically the Trek arm.
And this WAS {the writers have seemed lose sight of it} the intention - Cochran was put on a different path than in the 'original' timeline because of his interactions with the E-E crew. Which is one of the reasons why he didn't scarper off at the same time as he did in the original timeline. Something to do with his interaction with Riker, LaForge and the rest making him want to insure that the future was better for these selfless folks who had helped him in his ... ahem enterprise.
It was a way to 'update' Trek and not seem so silly in this age of cell phones and non-velour clothes!
OK ... 'fore you ask. The folks I either know or have talked to - Larry Nemicheck, Dennis Tracy, Lolita Fatjo, almost anybody at HMS or the old dead PropER Effects, John Eaves, Wendel Phillips, Alan Simms, Chris Collins(deceased), Rene Auberjonois, Robert Blackman, Michael Westmore and Carol Kuntz.
Mostly folks from the crew side of the show, I'll admit.
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Quote:Care to explain that remark?
Originally posted by Arawaen:Quote:So much for the principle of non-contradiction! Philosophy and rational thought are tossed out the window.
Remember, there is only ONE absolute - There ARE NO absolutes!!!
Or are you just being techy?
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Originally posted by Cleaner:
Sad to see FF fans trashing a show so badly that others enjoy.
A coherent story which all ties together season to season, episode to episode. None of the PC bull**** of TNG and not the soapopera in space of DS9 and NO KIDS!!!.
It's funny to see you contradict yourself in your own post.
I liked TNG and the first season of DS9. I also like Voyager when it first started, then I got bored with it and started watching again when Jeri Ryan joined. I watch Enterprise but almost every episode I've seen is a rehash of something that TNG or Voyager already did. I hoping it gets better. I haven't seen 'Damage' yet but I heard it's good.
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TNG, Voyager, DS9 aren't in production any more. At the time I lost interest in them after or during the first season and stopped watching.
I didn't jump online and start posting "Enough already!". I'm glad neither were cancelled as I enjoyed watching on video DS9 after Warf joined and Voyager when they entered Borg space.
The sad irony of FF fans calling for a show to be cancelled. Don't s**t where u eat, support Scifi.
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Quote:Ah, okay. Didn't realize you had inside data; I was just going by my own observations. Cool.
Originally posted by CapnRahn:
So, I'll say this - I do have a few friends and aquiantences'inside' Paramount and specifically the Trek arm.
And this WAS {the writers have seemed lose sight of it} the intention - Cochran was put on a different path than in the 'original' timeline because of his interactions with the E-E crew.
Quote:Okay, but aside from that, the timeline could restore itself. Cochrane leaves later, having done all he can, and then is restored to youth by the Companion (it's an energy being, it could do that).
Which is one of the reasons why he didn't scarper off at the same time as he did in the original timeline. Something to do with his interaction with Riker, LaForge and the rest making him want to insure that the future was better for these selfless folks who had helped him in his ... ahem enterprise.
I've just assumed the whole 60s-ness of TOS was just a brief swing of design philosophy. (Heck, bell-bottoms briefly came back into style in the 90s. Nothing can surprise me anymore.
)Plus, y'know, I tend to "re-visualize" things as I watch them, like mentally adding Westmorean aliens to the background.
Firefly is one of the few shows I don't end up making minor aesthetic changes to in my head.
(Hey look! we're back on topic!
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