Help from Libertarians/Anarchists
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Friday, January 18, 2008 14:04
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"But we've seen what doesn't work - and out of control private interests aren't the answer either.
Here are some of the things we have to thank them for:
black lung
E coli O157H7 contaminated food - and MRSA and MRSE
pcbs, dioxins, pbde's and other dangerous and persistent chemicals spread world-wide
strip mining
poverty wages
goon squads and company towns
How do you recommend people deal with that after the fact ? Better yet, how do you recommend we prevent irreversable and deadly problems in the first place ? And if you don't have answers for known problems, how do you expect people to take you seriously ?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_strikes
I see, by the sea of red, that the deletionists *COUGH*revisionists*COUGH* have been hard at work some more, but at least the listings themselves are still there...
Tell me there, Rue - WHO came in on the side of the Corpies EVERY SINGLE TIME and crushed those strikes, often with violence, sometimes with a massacre ?
EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
The only "order" they're interested in keeping, statements to the contrary aside, is the established order, the incestous Gov-Corp relationship that plagues us to this day since the power and effectiveness of trade unions have been neutered, crippled and demolished, from the Palmer raids to endless legislation to outlaw any *effective* tactic of resistance to the corporate dominion.
And let's not even go into Carnegies little bright idea to create the Union structure itself FOR them so that he could better control and sabotage the ungrateful little bastards, after a hard day of machinegunning them for daring to protest their treatment.
Speakin of, oh gee, look how the NAMES on that list, on the corpie side repeat themselves, over and over, oh my what a coincidence, isn't it ?
Heyyy, aren't those the SAME names that Smedley Butler was naming in a certain congressional hearing not so very long ago ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_plot
You pull the Military and Government support out from under their rabid exploitation, and WE will handle THAT problem in damned short order, believe it.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Ted did not spring, fully formed, out of a vaccuum.
Stop CREATING Ted, and the problem goes away.
-F
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FremD
That's naive. Sure there are people who are abused and develop rage disorders and the like. But there are also people born that way. And you have to deal with them.
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FremD
So what are you saying - that the US government never adopted the National Labor Relations Act in 1935 ? Set up OSHA ? The EPA ? Or that companies never hired private armed thugs to break strikes and kill families ? Never owned towns and all the people in them ?
Because that would just be flat wrong. And you know better.
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And no one has answered my question - what about the feeble ?
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Finally, I let this particular post go in another on the basis of its stupidity - but it is apropos here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=32252
It confuses me how someone who constantly tells us that we should trust the government to run health care
Look as hard as you can - you will never find me saying we should trust the government for anything at any time. Trust isn't in the equation. Either they are doing the jobs for us we want them to do, or they are not. If they are not, we should get rid of them till we find those are capable.
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
On a more general note:
For those of you who want an anarchic society of any type, I have a question. Let's suppose a couple has a child who is brain damaged and who will survive, but never be self-supporting. The parents are loving and do everything they can, but sooner or later, as people do, they die.
What is the place for this person who is utterly dependent on the goodwill of others ?
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"Global warming - it's not just a fact, it's a choice."
Hello,
It is going to sound cold and callous of me...
But a brain damaged child who can't even feed themselves or control bathroom functions, who has no capacity for reasoning, and who is not expected to recover...
I think they need to die. Even in today's society. It's very sad, but what exactly is the quality of life there?
At least someone with Down's syndrome or some similar malady can contribute to society. But someone who can't think or take care of their most simplistic needs... they need to go.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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"But there are also people born that way."
Absolutely, incontrovertibly, and utterly untrue.
With reams of hard proof behind it courtesy of the work of Doctor Bruce M Perry, CITIVAS and the Child Trauma Academy.
That is an *excuse* - and it's one being endlessly shelled out in order to avoid funding early intervention that prevents these seeds from blooming into monsters.
Do your own homework on that front.
http://www.childtrauma.org/
http://childtraumaacademy.org/default.aspx
Or just ask a guy who's run as deep or even deeper in these trenches than I have, Andrew Vachss.
http://vachss.com/av_dispatches/lifestyle.html
NO ONE, is born like that, period.
You're arguing that point from a position of.. what, assumption ?
Against someone who has spent the better part of their life finding the hell out what the causes are and what the hell to do about it - and found other people far and away better within their specialties who have acted on that same evidence, and can offer solid proof, scientific on the one hand, casework on the other, absolutely proving that there is NO SUCH THING as "Born Bad".
That erronous and willfully ignorant assumption is a root cause of the damage, because it's a wonderfully handy excuse not to act - the same way "all humans have an evil nature" is also bunk, but trotted out for the same reason.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"So what are you saying"
I am saying that if you remove the Government active defense of companies that ACT like that... pissed off employees will solve the problem, and likely the threat thereof will solve it with less, or maybe even no, violence.
Who did those assholes call when their private thugs got overwhelmed ?
Or when their corporate townies got sick of being reamed at the company store ?
They called in the Gov, didn't they ?
Did the Gov EVER come in and protect the workers FROM the Corpies ?
So, essentially, past a certain point the poor stomped on labor folks realized that in order to effectively FIGHT a Corp, they would have to first fight, overthrow and remove the US Govt, which they were unable to do - although some of them DID try to destabilise it leading to the Palmer raids.
Remove the ability for a Corp to call in the entire goddamn US Army to protect it from outraged workers - is what I am saying.
Labor can fight a corp, Labor cannot fight a corp, AND the Govt, AND the armies of both.
And to add some fuel to the fire, find out how the USDOJ was formed, and of what and who - and tell me there's not been collusion all the way.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"what about the feeble ?"
I am all in favor of giving humans, regardless of age, at LEAST the same level of mercy we give pets.
Usually I am applying that statement differently, as you well know, but I apply it here to this situation as equally valid.
-F
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