Help from Libertarians/Anarchists
POSTED BY: Geezer
UPDATED: Friday, January 18, 2008 14:04
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Anthony, I can live with that.
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Hell, I could live with it too.
Wouldn't say I'd like it so much, but fer cryin out loud it'd be a start.
Remember, as noted above I do not believe we're quite "ready" to make the jump at this time, which is why my current push is Constitutional Compliance, which.. summed up, is about the same as what Anthony is proposing here.
MI primary today... I needn't bother pointing out who I picked.
-Frem
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Question: Who controls, monitors, or otherwise keeps in line, corporations? Im thinking EnRon here.
Who would build the roads and maintain them?
Who would govern the products that come in from other countries? (China for example?)
How could we get anything done, or agree on anything?
(Im considering Libertarianism, but would like an answer for these...)
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Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by Fletch2:
The idea that you can do away with professional law enforcement as long as everyone packs heat is a gun nut pipe-dream.
Who says you do away with professional law enforcement? Libertarian theory just says it'd be PRIVATE professional law enforcement. Of course, I'm still looking for examples of how that works at the day to day level, but there are already private security companies that work nationwide, Brinks comes to mind.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
No I got that. I even asked a slew of questions further up that nobody decided to answer. Most were at a high level though so lets ask a few more basic ones.
Who pays for the private police? The suggestion is the victim's or their families? Doesn't this mean the poor get a lower level of "justice?"
What happens in the case of in-family murder? Does society forget about it since the perp is hardly likely to hire a competant firm to investigate themselves?
If I'm a bad guy doesn't that make it in my best interest to target victims of limited means? If they can't pay to have the crime investigated doesnt that mean that I can victimise the poor with impunity?
Since prive police obviously have a profit motive doesnt this mean that they will concentrate on cases that offer maximum profit (ie least work with biggest reward?) Wouldn't this imply that something like a store robbery would be more likely followed up on than a burglary (because cleanup rates on burglaries are generally low and investigation labour intensive.)
Can we be sure that the person apprehended actually did the crime if the people that are doing the investigation have a financial interest in catching someone?
I could go on but you get the point. It seems naive to me that people can fear putting this kind of power in the hands of a democratically elected government and yet are happy to place that same power into the hands an organisation only answerable to shareholders.
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If you want to look at armed stateless systems, you can look at Somalia and the typical street gang. Somalia has been w/o a central government since 1991. You can great cell phone service there, local business owners pay for their own security, different currencies are used but freely traded, the port still handles a fair bit of traffic with Arab states, and common law administered by clan elders is the most frequent way of resolving disputes. BUT infant and maternal mortality is way up, and access to clean water is way down. (Fetching water is "women's work" in Africa.) Because children and women don't have any standing economically or politically, and definitley not by force of arms, they're under-represented in this scheme.
This is the whole flaw that I see: if it all comes down representing your rights with guns, the very young, elderly, ill, and mothers who might otherwise be occupied with their children etc would not be served by such a system. But its' great if you're young and fit.
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More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:
A private police force might be better in the case of a stolen cars. The US police don't bother to look for stolen cars, they just wait for them to turn up on the side of the road abandoned when the thieves get tired of them.
At least with the "Gorgeous" package you might get your car back with the wheels intact. And you also get a free wax.
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Originally posted by Kirkules:Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
A private police force might be better in the case of a stolen cars. The US police don't bother to look for stolen cars, they just wait for them to turn up on the side of the road abandoned when the thieves get tired of them.
At least with the "Gorgeous" package you might get your car back with the wheels intact. And you also get a free wax.
You could pay to have a tracking device fitted to your car now that would help if it was stolen. Of course then some private company would know where you go and probably who you see....
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Hello,
Anyone who can identify an object 15 yards away and who can exert 5-7 pounds of force can employ a gun, so it's not really the purview of the young and fit.
However, Somalia fails for the same reason the unregulated Wild West regions were failures until they became 'civilized.' Once a group gets a little more power than their neighbors, they can rule the roost. Ten guys with guns trump one guy with guns, and a benevolent government that protects your freedom is the only way to counter the balance.
Though I admit that government power is a lot like the plant in "The Little Shop of Horrors." Feed it too much, and it will devour you.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Anthony- But if your hands are busy carrying a child (they don't start walking until 1 y/o) and water, or your eyes are bad, your hearing is crappy and your hands a bit shaky...
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