Aid for Israel
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
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I read your spin, and I sense your desperation. There is ZERO moral equivalency between Israel & Palestinians. For decades Arafat STOLE ALL the Palestininans money & blamed Jews. He hid it away in banks in Switzerland, and his wife lives even today like a queen in France. Every time Israel conceded a point to make peace, Arafat or some other splinter group would launch strikes inside Israel to dis-engage the process...Arafat liked getting his "aid" money a lot! Israel doesn't send women & children strapped with suicide bombs to blow up innocents in a pizzaria. They do go into Palestinian areas and demolish houses of suicide bombers, and they do target bomb makers and leaders who instruct, and forcibly coerce people to commit atrocities for them.
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Now answer the questions Ive proposed:
1. Why are we giving money to Israel.
Because as you stated earlier, the U.S., as part of the U.N., established the State of Israel. I'm sure Israel gets money from other U.N. countries as well.
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2. Why is there no balanced coverage by the media of what is really happening.
So Palestine is not lobbing missles into Israel and Israel is not firing back?
For that matter, why is there no balanced coverage of the Iraq war?
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3. Why should Americans even care what is going on over there? Other than our duty as the worlds policeman I mean.
Please see my first response.
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4. Why must you call anyone who disagrees with what the Jews are doing in Israel "Jew-haters", "anti-semites" ect? Is that your only answer? Using propaganda words, and political correctness to try and force me into your way of thinking? If so, then you are simply proving my point from above about how the Jews learned well from the Nazis.
Same reason you don't blame all Americans if you do not like certain policies of the U.S. Government. It is short-sighted and wrong IMHO.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I read your spin, and I sense your desperation. There is ZERO moral equivalency between Israel & Palestinians. For decades Arafat STOLE ALL the Palestininans money & blamed Jews. He hid it away in banks in Switzerland, and his wife lives even today like a queen in France. Every time Israel conceded a point to make peace, Arafat or some other splinter group would launch strikes inside Israel to dis-engage the process...Arafat liked getting his "aid" money a lot! Israel doesn't send women & children strapped with suicide bombs to blow up innocents in a pizzaria. They do go into Palestinian areas and demolish houses of suicide bombers, and they do target bomb makers and leaders who instruct, and forcibly coerce people to commit atrocities for them.
You still have not answered my questions. If you can't thats ok.
If you won't...well thats a different story. It means the truth will destroy your argument.
As to the moral argument. If the UN or some other agency decided to give parts of America to some other hostile nation....for whatever reason....and we didnt have the milatary might we now enjoy.....and the only means of fighting back was through suicide bombers....well I would hope that it wouldn't come to that, but if it did, I would also hope that there would be true patriots who would fight back with any and all means neccessry.
Don't get me wrong, the Palestinians are fighting stupidly (perhaps evily). But its from a position of weakness and desperation.
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Your first mistake, Wulf, is trying to reason with a zealot.
The second would be buying any of what they're selling you.
You know, the very worst irony of this, is that if you go back along the path of history, like, way back... Muslims and Jews used to be quite good friends, overall.
The Jews would seek refuge with them from endless Christian persecution (and by the way they backstab em at every turn and corner, I doubt they've forgotten it) and even in many cases lived in shared communities...
The shining jewel of which was Medina, a city that was mutually shared by Christians, Muslims and Jews all living with each other peacefully under a treaty known as the Medina Compact, written by Mohammed himself in an attempt to bring peace between all the children of Ibrihim/Abraham - which, of course, in the end, did not work out too well, but it did, for a time.
Now, post WWII, as had been their policy for long and many years, the middle eastern nations were willing to offer them comfort and shelter, but land in the middle east... especially USEABLE land, is of a value you just cannot understand, you have to understand the history behind it, and why they are territorial to such a psychotic degree, is the rarity of useable land, and thus, the ONLY way you take turf in the middle east is by killing every living thing on it, period.
And with the massive influx of refugees, the jewish leaders of the time were very desperate, and felt a need to secure enough land to ensure their survival as a people, and remember what I said about the only way you can take it, right ?
Now imagine the reaction of folk who had ignored both Christian and Nazi propaganda about how treacherous and horrible these people were, folk who place a MUCH higher respect (often with violent consequences) on the principles of hospitality in general.
(See Also: Pashtunwali, for example)
And imagine their reaction to having their land taken, people slaughtered, by those Jews they so often aided and sheltered, and the UN, and those damned Christians (who sure as hell did not want these guys in THEIR country, being that historically they've been an uneasy neighbor..) helping it right along, ramming a dagger into the spine of the one people who more than any other treated them with respect.
That kind of a thing, especially given the actions of a nation that essentially began AS a rogue nation (See Also: Irgun) and has continued to be in every way shape and form (See Also: UN Sanctions) with a demonstrable habit of collective slaughter for little to no reason...
You know, like the incident that finally set ME against them, using helicopter gunships and armaments more or less given to them by the US, to rocket a street where a suspected "terrorist" might have been as a local school let out, slaughtering a great many children, and for nothing, cause they certainly didn't bag the guy, even if he existed - that was a turning point for me - they ARE a rogue state, as a people, meh, they're people, but that so-called-country has made it's own bed over there.
And the saddest damned part of it all is that the Palestinians are doing exactly the same thing, for exactly the same reasons - they feel their existance as a people is threatened, which let's be blunt, it IS, and that they are being pushed into the sea and ethnic cleansed in slow motion, with a damned lot of evidence to back the claim.
When you remove the incentive, even the MEANS, for a person to return to their life, if they have nothing to return to, nothing to rebuild and little chance of doing so without their oppressor just kicking their sand castle over again - THAT is what makes folks strap bombs to their chest and set them off in crowded cafes.
But in the end, for me, it comes back to those helicopter gunships, made in the good ole USA, with american ordinance beneath, and the bloody screams of torn apart schoolchildren as our gift to their oppressors murdered them.
To have my money taken by threat of force, which is what Taxation really is, and then handed over to TH
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Amen Frem. I cannot agree with you more.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I read your spin, and I sense your desperation. There is ZERO moral equivalency between Israel & Palestinians. For decades Arafat STOLE ALL the Palestininans money & blamed Jews. He hid it away in banks in Switzerland, and his wife lives even today like a queen in France. Every time Israel conceded a point to make peace, Arafat or some other splinter group would launch strikes inside Israel to dis-engage the process...Arafat liked getting his "aid" money a lot! Israel doesn't send women & children strapped with suicide bombs to blow up innocents in a pizzaria. They do go into Palestinian areas and demolish houses of suicide bombers, and they do target bomb makers and leaders who instruct, and forcibly coerce people to commit atrocities for them.
You still have not answered my questions. If you can't thats ok.
If you won't...well thats a different story. It means the truth will destroy your argument.
As to the moral argument. If the UN or some other agency decided to give parts of America to some other hostile nation....for whatever reason....and we didnt have the milatary might we now enjoy.....and the only means of fighting back was through suicide bombers....well I would hope that it wouldn't come to that, but if it did, I would also hope that there would be true patriots who would fight back with any and all means neccessry.
Don't get me wrong, the Palestinians are fighting stupidly (perhaps evily). But its from a position of weakness and desperation.
Why should I answer your questions? Were they even directed at me? You fail to read my posts, and your continued selective obtuseness here strongly indicates that you are just another lemming in a long history of good ole'fashioned Jew haters. You and your Israel-hating friends here may not be as blatantly biased and hateful as your kindred spirits in Iran and at KKK Hdqtrs, but I see right through your rhetoric for what it really is.
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Jongsstraw.
Wow. Nevermind. I have no intention of matching wits with someone who is working with only half of theirs.
You are a zealot, and as such, I will not bother with you anymore.
Now...can anyone answer the questions I've proposed, intelligently and logically?
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Hello,
When words like 'Jew Hater' get thrown into this discussion, it stops being a discussion and begins to become polarized warfare.
That is too bad, because this might have been more constructive.
For my own part, you could label the participants Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, Bajorans, or Gorn, and it wouldn't change the dynamics of the situation.
Maybe I am a Bajoran hater, but if you say that, it becomes plainly silly, whereas if you say "Jew Hater" it carries a strong moral bludgeon.
Unfortunately, by wielding the bludgeon, you demonstrate the inadequacy of your ability to discuss the topic. If you can't win an argument without villainizing your foe, then your argument is inherently flawed.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Jongsstraw.
Wow. Nevermind. I have no intention of matching wits with someone who is working with only half of theirs.
You are a zealot, and as such, I will not bother with you anymore.
Now...can anyone answer the questions I've proposed, intelligently and logically?
This little piece of the thread started when YOU RESPONDED TO ME when I agreed & applauded Finn. You chose to engage me....so just piss off! And give us a Zeig Heil for the road.
Finally, congratulations on learning a new word today...zealot ( of course you had to hear it from The Minister), but hey, it still counts.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
I read your spin, and I sense your desperation. There is ZERO moral equivalency between Israel & Palestinians. For decades Arafat STOLE ALL the Palestininans money & blamed Jews. He hid it away in banks in Switzerland, and his wife lives even today like a queen in France. Every time Israel conceded a point to make peace, Arafat or some other splinter group would launch strikes inside Israel to dis-engage the process...Arafat liked getting his "aid" money a lot! Israel doesn't send women & children strapped with suicide bombs to blow up innocents in a pizzaria. They do go into Palestinian areas and demolish houses of suicide bombers, and they do target bomb makers and leaders who instruct, and forcibly coerce people to commit atrocities for them.
You still have not answered my questions. If you can't thats ok.
If you won't...well thats a different story. It means the truth will destroy your argument.
As to the moral argument. If the UN or some other agency decided to give parts of America to some other hostile nation....for whatever reason....and we didnt have the milatary might we now enjoy.....and the only means of fighting back was through suicide bombers....well I would hope that it wouldn't come to that, but if it did, I would also hope that there would be true patriots who would fight back with any and all means neccessry.
Don't get me wrong, the Palestinians are fighting stupidly (perhaps evily). But its from a position of weakness and desperation.
Hello,
If all else failed, absolutely we would have suicide warriors. I always think it is interesting that we, as a western nation, embrace the 'suicide mission' to achieve a vital objective...
but we turn around and villainize the 'suicide bomber' who drives a truck into a military base and destroys himself, or the kamikaze fighter that crashes himself into a ship, or the speedboat driver who explodes a warship in harbor.
The question What Would We Do? isn't asked enough. The truth is, we are a lot like our enemies, in more ways than we care to admit.
I do not suggest that we should not war with people who have violently opposed interests, but we should understand them, and understand the real reasons we are fighting them. It is not necessary to envision your opponent as an orc or a goblin in order to fight him. If you have to do that... if you have to label someone and invent a monster in order to fight them... perhaps you shouldn't be fighting them at all.
The arab nations are fond of creating the Evil Jew Monster, which is as bad as us creating the Evil Arab Monster. (Or Muslim Monster.)
It's important for people to understand that the middle east wars are about perceived injustice and resources. If Sweden wiped out all the Jews and occupied Israel, the same war would be fought with new players. It would now be the Evil Swede Monster vs. the Evil Arab Monster or Palestinian Monster and on etc. The Arabs would want to push the Swedes into the Sea instead of the Jews. It would all be happening with new labels and new propaganda.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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