Aid for Israel
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Monday, August 17, 2026 14:58
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Also the principle weapon by which Israel won the Six-Day War in the first day, were fighterjets from France, not US arms.
I thought it was surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... their two weapons were fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Their *three* weapons were fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Their *four*...no... *Amongst* their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry...were such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
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Originally posted by AnthonyT:
There are others who argue that without our military support, Israel would be overrun by her enemies. In fact, I don't think this is the case.
During the Six Day War, Israel defeated her enemies Egypt, Syria, and Jordan. That was during a time when the sophistication of her forces was in parity with her opponents. Israel now has a military sophistication far exceeding her likely opponents.
I have read in 1972 the Israeli airforce suffered losses of %185 of their aircraft, and without the transfer of American aircraft from Europe they would have lost the airwar at any rate.
Mind you I still say the aid the US provides actually destabilizes the area, Israel has broken as many treaty commitments as anyone, yet they suffer no penalty or reward for adhering to the treaty's they sign.
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Quote:They're about on-par with Saddam Hussein in terms of ignored UN resolutions and aggressive actions, and they're well more advanced in their current arsenal of WMD. And they treat their minority almost as badly. With allies like that, who needs enemies?
Mind you I still say the aid the US provides actually destabilizes the area, Israel has broken as many treaty commitments as anyone, yet they suffer no penalty or reward for adhering to the treaty's they sign.
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During the period between 1967 and 2000, Iraq was the subject of 69 Security Council resolutions. By comparison, Israel, our closest "ally" in the Middle East, has been the subject of 138 resolutions. Not surprisingly, most of those resolutions call upon Israel to comply with basic principles of international law embodied by the UN Charter. Many of them condemn actions taken by Israel and call upon Israel on more than one occasion to comply with previous resolutions that Israel ignored and continues to ignore to this day.
www.mediamonitors.net/michaelsladah&suleimaniajlouni1.html
Of course, people who back Israel will continue to ignore these facts, just as they ignore the facts about President Bush. It's all about "us v them", and it doesn't seem to matter much what "we" do 'cause we're the "good guys".
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Always look upstream.
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Quote:And also Mirage Jets.
Originally posted by Fletch2:Quote:I thought it was surprise...surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... their two weapons were fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Their *three* weapons were fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Their *four*...no... *Amongst* their weapons.... Amongst their weaponry...were such elements as fear, surprise.... I'll come in again.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Also the principle weapon by which Israel won the Six-Day War in the first day, were fighterjets from France, not US arms.
(Though, I’m not sure about the fanatical devotion to the Pope thing.)
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:THANK YOU.
Originally posted by SignyM:
A friend is someone that you can count on for mutual support, not a leech stuck permanently to your teat.
Israel is a parasite that lives off guilt over her recent tragedies. That makes us all manner of co-dependent in all manner of dysfunctional ways.
Ally, my ass. Ask the survivors of the USS Liberty if Israel cares if our soldiers die.
Israel gets something like $600+ / capita from the USA. In context of its atrocious human rights record, that would be like our giving China $600 billion a year in aid. Since when did we start having "allies" that oppress entire nations as a matter of record?
Also, in case one didn't know, money is a positive reinforcer. That means, as long as you pay people to do something, they will keep doing it. We pay Israel to be at war--as long as we pay her, she'll keep being at war. She has no incentive to compromise, make deals, or otherwise play nice with the other kids.
Of course, if we let her loose now, she'll get lynched. It's a mess she's made; it's a mess we've made.
Did I say dysfunctional?
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--Alfred North Whitehead (1861 - 1947)
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America should not give any taxpayer money to any country, period.
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Lets finally be honest....
Israel was set up after WW2 as a place to drop the Jews, as there was no place in Europe that wanted them.
We twisted arms and laws to take the land from the Palestinians in order to do this.
We bullied our way onto their land, and put people who shouldnt have been there on it.
War broke out.
We gave aid to Israel to fight. We sent them all the weapons they could use. Including a nuke.
We still do this.
We also give most of our foreign aid budget to them.
The Jews kill Palestinians on a regular basis.
Using the cover of securing peace and fighting terrorism, they randomnly kill citizens.
The so-called Christians in this country want Israel to exist to fullfill what they consider prophesy.
The Jews in this country consider it a moral obligation to support Israel by any means.
Including propaganda.
The Jews learned a lot from the Nazis. Including, but not limited to:
Propaganda,
Manipulation,
Controlling the media,
Gaining support (through money) at the higher levels,
Using religion to benefit themselves,
Killing anyone who stands in their way,
Using political correctness to control speech.
We let it happen. Its our fault. We created this and then continue to feed it.
I say we cut off all foreign aid to everyone, for 2 years. Just 2 years. Let the chips fall where they may.
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Now this reeks of anti-Semitism.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Ahh..."Anti-semitism"...the catchall propaganda word for whenever someone disagrees with Israel or the Jews.
VERY Politically Correct of you.....
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You see Finn, I noticed that you had not one thing to say about the historical record concerning the founding of Israel- which is an accurate summary (I could add a lot of shit about Moshe Dyan and his pals), the fact that Israel has nukes and prolly chemical weapons*, has ignored over a hundred UN resolutions (the big whining point about Saddam... "But he ignored the UN Resolutions and somebody and to do something!! *whine whine*)... and has the Palestinians bottled up pretty much the same as the Warsaw ghetto.
So, if it makes you feel better, substitute the word "Zionist" for "Jew" and address the issues instead of name-calling.
* The El Al plane bound for Tel Aviv that crashed into a Dutch tenement had the basic chemicals on board to create about 300 kilos of Sarin. That explains the health problems of both the residents and responders, and also explains why all records of the first 30 hours of response (including audio and video-tapes and the plane's manifest) were destroyed with Dutch collusion. Fortunately, about 8 years later somebody leaked a manifest copy to the press and the Dutch government 'fessed up. Here's one link that I grabbed but there are a zillion others.
http://www.ameu.org/uploads/vol34_issue1_2001.pdf
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