Aid for Israel
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Quote:No. It’s the catchall phrase for whenever an argument attempts to characterizes Jews in a negative one-sided light, such as your determination that “Jews” are killing Palestinians “on a regular basis” with little consideration for what is actually happening in the Israeli-Palestinian war. And then going on to compare the “Jews” to Nazis, and then posing a threat that we cut off all foreign aid for 2-years and “Let the chips fall where they may.”
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Ahh..."Anti-semitism"...the catchall propaganda word for whenever someone disagrees with Israel or the Jews.
Tell me, if the chips fall so that Israel defeats the Arab nations that presumably attack them, then what? We start up foreign aid and we’re all good friends? Or is it your belief that the Jews won’t be able to hold out for two years, thus riding ourselves of the Jewish Question?
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:So if I portray African-Americans in the United States with a negative one-sided view, but call them “Blacks” instead of “Niggers,” that wouldn’t be racism. I think we can see who the “dick” is.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So, if it makes you feel better, substitute the word "Zionist" for "Jew" and stop being such as dick.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Once again avoiding the issues. If what I write about blacks is negative but truthful... say.... "Blacks were brought forcibly to the United States as slaves. Their families and cultures were deliberately destroyed, and decades of being blocked from full participation in American civil, social, and economic life has weakened positive cultural values such as the desire for education and cooperation and led to suspicion of the dominant culture" ... is that racism?
So if I portray African-Americans in the United States with a negative one-sided view, but call them “Blacks” instead of “Niggers,” that wouldn’t be racism. I think we can see who the “dick” is.
I only consider it racism if you try to link a particular behavior to a person's race, ethnicity, or sex, portraying a particular characteristic as genetic. By that light, the only way to "fix a problem" is ethnic cleansing. Nobody here is saying that Jews are inherently anything. There is, however, a significant portion of Jews who believe that God gave them a portion of the Mideast so that they can live under their religious government, and that any and all means are allowed to create and maintain such a state. IMHO, that claim makes as much sense as any religious claim to land which is.... none. So, is that being anti-Semitic? Or anti-Zionist? (There is a difference you know, and it's not the same difference as "black" and "nigger".)
Finn, the only reason why you and most people support Israel is because you feel a religious sympathy. It has nothing to do with Israel being our ally or whether they've acted ethically. Yanno, I get it. I understand it, but you should too.
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Always look upstream.
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Negative, one-sided....oh boy. Give me a break.
Yes. Let the chips fall where they may. Maybe Israel would finally win and destroy her neighbors. It shouldn't be too hard with all the money they get from the diamond trade they control.
They can buy more weapons and governments with it.
*sigh
And yes, I do compare things. Especially when its such an easy comparison.
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Originally posted by SignyM:Quote:Once again avoiding the issues. If what I write about blacks is negative but truthful... say.... "Blacks were brought forcibly to the United States as slaves. Their families and cultures were deliberately destroyed, and decades of being blocked from full participation in American civil, social, and economic life has weakened positive cultural values such as the desire for education and cooperation and led to suspicion of the dominant culture" ... is that racism?
So if I portray African-Americans in the United States with a negative one-sided view, but call them “Blacks” instead of “Niggers,” that wouldn’t be racism. I think we can see who the “dick” is.
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Always look upstream.
The point he is trying to make is you can not take the actions of a small minority and impose them on a majority. (The very definition of stereotype).
You can't blame all Americans for the actions of Republicans. You can't blame all Blacks for the actions of Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackon. You can't blame "The Jews" for the actions of Israel.
When you fail to differentiate between the two, then your prejudice is seen... The "controls the diamond trade" line doesn't help either btw.
And whoever said "My tax money should stay in my country" is right on.
But really, the question is moot, since "Israeli Aid" is really nothing but "American Weapons Manufacturer Aid" and if all foreign countries disappeared tomorrow, by 7 AM the next day, Congress would authorize stockpiling weapons against the imminent Martian threat.
And need I point out that no nation/culture/civilization has clean hands?
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Perhaps an alternative to the cutting off of aid is balanced aid. If a peace settlement is found and both the Israelis and the Palestinians sign on, they any aid to either side should be in parity so that one ceases to have any advantage over the other... except in the case of treaty violation in which case that side would be cut off.
That way, the path towards rebuilding would be rewarded, and straying would not.
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
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Quote:I don't blame "the Jews" I blame the Zionists. If Wulfenstar doesn't make that distinctio then, yep, he has a problem.
You can't blame "The Jews" for the actions of Israel.
But Finn OTOH has made it a point to evade discussing the issues: Israel's founding and subsequent actions. IMHO Israel looks a lot like any other ME religious state, and they have WMD to boot.
I suspect that militant Orthodox Zionists don't share the same fellow-feeling towards Xtians that Xtians feel towards them. There is a long history of Xtians being the oppressor.
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Of COURSE I make a distinction. The Jew down the street who isnt doing anything to anybody doesnt bother me.
Its the Zionists.
Also, I may have made a flippant remark about the diamond trade. But it is true. Look it up.
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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
Perhaps an alternative to the cutting off of aid is balanced aid. If a peace settlement is found and both the Israelis and the Palestinians sign on, they any aid to either side should be in parity so that one ceases to have any advantage over the other... except in the case of treaty violation in which case that side would be cut off.
That way, the path towards rebuilding would be rewarded, and straying would not.
The Alliance said they were gonna waltz through Serenity Valley. And we choked 'em with those words. We've done the impossible, and that makes us mighty.
The problem with that is three-fold.
1.Corruption in the Palestinian Govt. is rampant. It constantly is cited as the #2 problem Palestinians face. When Arafat was alive, 33% of the ENTIRE aid given to the Palestinian people was used "to run his office." No questions asked.
2.The Palestinian leadership is not based on politics but along militant lines. When peace comes about, they will be out of a job so you really have to wonder how eager they are to see that.
3.The current Palestinian "leadership" would swear peace and with each attack shrug off any responsibility and blame it on a "splinter group" it has no control over.
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IMHO Israel looks a lot like any other ME religious state, and they have WMD to boot.
Israel is really not a religious state. Most of the Israelis never attend synagogue, keep kosher or even wear a skullcap. But you are right that it has its share of millitant nutballs and combined with its odd parliamentary system, it means they have a say in the govt.
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Of COURSE I make a distinction. The Jew down the street who isnt doing anything to anybody doesnt bother me.
Its the Zionists.
Also, I may have made a flippant remark about the diamond trade. But it is true. Look it up.
When you do not distinguish between the two, and constantly, throughout the entire post use The Jews instead of Zionists, Israelis, etc. then what are we to expect? If I were ranting against the NAACP but used the words "The Blacks" instead, the gist of the post is completely different.
And as for diamonds:
De Beers runs the diamond trade. They control about 60% of the world's supply and are responsible for keeping the prices artificially high. There is an exchange in Tel Aviv, but if you want the real culprit, look at South Africa.
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Quote:Israel's nuclear weapons program was a joint effort with the French which the two nations developed separately, in much the same way as the Manhattan project was a joint project between America, Britain and Canada.
Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
Including a nuke.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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