More Star Trek... sheesh.

POSTED BY: Thundar
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 14:30
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CYBERSNARK

Saturday, April 24, 2004 6:46 PM

I know I'm gonna get flamed and possibly banished for this, but I agree with Gunrunner.

I think Enterprise is actually pretty good.

I really don't get the "pissing on Roddenberry's dream" complaints: Enterprise is talking about effectively modern people (flawed, immature, sometimes dysfunctional) and mapping out how they became the enlightened, intelligent civilization that he himself explicitly designed humans to be in TOS. I honestly think Roddenberry would've liked this show. Yeah, they sometimes fail, but they have their successes too.

And the timeline has taken worse punishment in single episodes of TNG and Voyager than all of Enterprise so far. Besides, the Temporal Cold War gives Enterprise something that no other Trek has had before --a valid reset-button.

And I like T'Pol. Okay, the catsuits are eye-roll-inducing, but I've seen far, far more exploitative (TOS miniskirts? 7/9's corset? Troi's cleavage-tights? Every female guest star TOS ever had?). Yeah, T'Pol's not "Spock with boobs," she has a unique personality. There's a certain wildness to her --if she was a human she'd have brightly-coloured hair, naughty tatoos, multiple piercings (a nose-ring at least), and have spent at least one night passed out in a jail cell.

Could things be done differently? Of course. Same could be said for Firefly. Maybe Joss could've had the Browncoats win the war and have Mal as captain of a starship-of-the-line somewhere.

Sure, it's not Firefly, but that's like comparing indie comics to Shakespeare.

Besides: think about it rationally. Firefly, Wonderfalls, and the endless tide of less and less intelligent/classy "reality" shows should have proven to us by now how the entertainment industry works.

If Star Trek goes away for 5-or-6 years, it won't be coming back!!! That'll be it for the franchise.

I'm not willing to see one of the most inspiring, morally reaffirming stories in modern history die off like that. Someday, if I ever reproduce, I plan do indoctrinate my children into Star Trek right alongside Firefly (and the Buffyverse, and Star Wars, natch ).

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LINDLEY

Saturday, April 24, 2004 7:01 PM

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Now, if there was an alternitive space-based show on the air, a GOOD one, perhaps with a western feel to it.....

I get what you're saying, of course. Still, I should point out that next year we'll have:

Stargate SG1 season 8
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar 2004
Farscape: Peacekeeper War (Mini)

And that's just the ones worth mentioning. So there are still a few alternatives. None of them are on broadcast networks, though......

JERRY111

Saturday, April 24, 2004 10:22 PM

I think that Enterprise is (gasp) actually pretty good. Did you see "Damage"? Archer and crew hijacked an innocent ship to steal it's warp coils.

RANGRBOB

Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:52 AM

I've been a fan of Trek since before I could walk. My father watched it and of course I ended up watching it. I loved TOS, TNG, DS9, and the first half or so of Voy. When Enterprise came along I was a bit wary but was glad that I was still able to get my fix. I beleive that it started out ok. I never did care for the vulcans have been holding us back plot. Lately, however, the show just hasn't seemed to click just right. I can see flashes of what would be a good show. The one "Damage" I think, had some interesting features. I just think they haven't gone in the right direction with the show. They keep focussing on time travel and bringing in alien races such as the Ferengi that we just shouldn't be seeing. I really don't know what Enterprise could do to improve. I just think they have been trying to build a show on a bad foundation and its going to bury Trek in a pile of rubble if they don't fix it soon.

CALHOUN

Sunday, April 25, 2004 6:57 AM

I say ENOUGH! to the Trek Nay-Sayers!

Anyone who is genuinely a Sci-Fi fan wouldnt be Poo-Pooing Enterprise or any other Trek. Star Trek is no Firefly but its Sci-Fi (and NOT reality TV) so its OK by me. I've enjoyed all Star Trek (even Voyager), thats not to say I haved loved every episode but on the whole I think its all good.

Even if Firefly had of continued I still would have wanted other Sci-Fi stuff even if only to make Firefly all the sweeter.

With so little Sci-Fi on TV today i'll take whatever I can get.

JARED

Sunday, April 25, 2004 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by Calhoun:
With so little Sci-Fi on TV today i'll take whatever I can get.

see? and others think "when sf is only x% of the stuff on tv it better dont be a completely waste and make room for a show with fresh ideas and decent writers that havent started recycling old scripts and ideas a long time ago".

just like i dont think "with so little star wars around i should be happy about clone wars". i cant watch it without wanting to cry and/or slap the responsible people from breakfast til dinner and i'd happily wait another 10 years if only ep3 doesnt turn out as shallow and without the slightest trace of a soul like the other 2.

CALHOUN

Sunday, April 25, 2004 12:13 PM

Why are you still talking when its been decided?

EMBERS

Sunday, April 25, 2004 2:30 PM

I finally got to see 'Damaged' last night
(we don't get UPN in Iowa...don't ask me why)
and I have to agree with everyone who said that this was a really excellent episode!
Very dark and edgy...
And I agree Calhoun, 'Enterprise' still has a lot to offer...if just as an escape from all the lame reality shows, or tired unfunny sit-coms, or over-worked cop/lawyer/doctor dramas...

CYBERSNARK

Sunday, April 25, 2004 4:08 PM

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Originally posted by Lindley:
I should point out that next year we'll have:

Stargate SG1 season 8
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar 2004
Farscape: Peacekeeper War (Mini)

Unless you're in Canada.

We may be getting Galactica 2004 & Peacekeeper War, 'cause Space has maintained fairly close ties to those two.

The others. . .

Well, unless the rights to Stargate Atlantis manage to bypass Global (the Canadian equivalent to Fox), it'll probably be stuck in the same "we have the broadcast rights, we're just not airing it" abyss that swallowed SG-1's last few seasons.

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CLEANER

Sunday, April 25, 2004 5:32 PM

Sad to see FF fans trashing a show so badly that others enjoy.

Never been a big trek fan but I think (and friends of mine) Startrek has never been as good as Enterprise is. Not brilliant but better than TNG, Voyager, DS9.

A coherent story which all ties together season to season, episode to episode. None of the PC bull**** of TNG and not the soapopera in space of DS9 and NO KIDS!!!.

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