What are Brown Coats to do?
POSTED BY: Hixie129
UPDATED: Sunday, January 6, 2008 00:36
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
I guess I am still so bitter after all these years, I still look at FOX to vent my rage. And Joss signing with FOX hurt very much too. I must deal with all my pain.. Someday it might get better for me.. Thanks
I understand the bitterness. But it's long wasted on them now and only makes you feel bad.
I hate to see anyone feeling bad with all the stuff we have to be grateful for. :-)
I hope it does get better for you... there is so much to enjoy. Past laments, past the pain is fun... with us, with new shows and with the hope we have for more FF/S one of these days.
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Originally posted by Moose:
F*X has a looong history of screwing over shows that I enjoy. So it's gonna take a lot more than Joss working with them to get me to "forgive" them.
I don't have to forgive them or forget what they've done to watch what they put out for me to see. If it's what I love, if it's good, I'm watchin'!
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Originally posted by FollowMal:
If it's what I love, if it's good, I'm watchin'!
The problem is that by the time it's realized that it's good and worth watchin', it's GONE!
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Blackadder your vote doesn't count, its a yes or no vote.
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Hixie129: A Simple YES or NO vote.. That’s all I would like. I want to know if the Brown Coats will surrender to FOX as Joss did. I will go along with the majority…
Wait, so you started this whole argument in protest of what Joss did and to express how wrong and betraying it was, but you'd give up your opinion and concede to a majority vote just because it's what everyone else thinks is right?
You're making it sound like Joss is giving up, and he's not. He's choosing a different path. And, as has been said before, you can't condemn a whole network for the actions of the few or the one, especially the few or the one that aren't there anymore. And if you support Joss, really support what he does and what he has created, you should continue to support him in future endeavors, because you never know, our support for this upcoming story may just open the door to relight the Firefly once more.
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And to saying in the future that we love Dollhouse even if it stinks just so that we can hold out for a glimmer of hope that FOX might bring back Firefly..
You sound as if you've already made up your mind that it's going to suck no matter what. Give it a chance, stop being close-minded. Maybe, just maybe, it'll be really great. Ever think of that option? I know it's kind of the other end of the spectrum, but I think Joss is capable of writing something great. I mean, look at Firefly.
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I will never surrender to that Evil Frackin Network and would rather watch the TOON channel for the rest of my life.
That's just immature.
If by "surrendering" to Fox you mean keeping an open mind and actually giving Dollhouse a chance, and not shunning it just because it's different from what YOU want, and making an effort to support it for Joss and the hope we still hold onto that Firefly will someday return (and it will) then I'm going to have to say to you that I am a Browncoat, I wear my colors proudly, and I'm voting yes.
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe Joss has the Helsinki syndrome or maybe he has been brainwashed and needs some deprogramming;
Joss is at FOX its done.. What about the loyal Brown Coats, do we surrender to the Evil Alliance?
Nope...Not Helsinki Syndrome...You're not even
in the right country , dude ! That would
be 'Stockholm' Syndrome...You can look it up
later...
Browncoats Surrender ? If you have to ask ,
then I wonder if you're an Alliance Operative
yourself...
Browncoats Surrender ? Never , NEVER ,
NEVER !!!
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There is such a thing as a false dichotomy, the proposed vote is one of them.
I will NOT watch Dollhouse because the premise is personally repulsive to me. I'm not sure if it is even possible to make something that would repel me more and still have it legally allowed to be broadcast.
Does that mean I will never watch anything on Fox, no. I may or may not at some time in the future find something that I believe Fox has done which is both worth watching and personally appealing to me.
Given that I can't say I will never watch Fox, and I likewise can not say yes to, " saying in the future that we love Dollhouse," where does that put my vote? I am not so weak minded that I will change my position just so you can have your false dichotomy.
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Now I have a question for you, since when was being a browncoat about bowing to the will of the majority? If you truly believe that Fox is so evil we should never watch a scripted show there (though not evil enough to forsake football) why are you willing to turn away from that belief just because a majority disagrees?
I could understand if you were willing to part with your convictions because someone convinced you were wrong, that's part of what sanity is all about, but to give up on your convictions because they got voted down ... well that isn't very independent-like.
Now some may say that the independents should have been killed off of every world spinning, but I think people shouldn't bow to the will of the majority just because the majority says so. If you think Fox should be boycotted except during sporting events I'll support your right to think that and follow through with it if you so choose regardless of the will of the majority and even though I disagree with you. To do otherwise wouldn't be very browncoat-like of me.
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Wow... I'm a self professed Firefly FANATIC... but isn't this takeing it a bit far mate??
I will personally watch this show because
1) JOSS WHEDON WROTE IT!!!!
2) It seems similar to John Doe... another good scifi show that I liked a bunch, and the premise seems interesting to me
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You are obviously deeply affected by this. everyone is entitled to their passions...forgive me for my presumptiosness, but perhaps to temper/detract from your unhappiness you may find it comforting to re channel your impressive passion towards issues that are globally relevant perhaps something relating to underdogs/minorities/browncoats in society. again not trying to critiscise just offering a suggestion, as to what a Browncoat is to do while they ponder upon a solution to their current dilema.
P.S. Sad as it is, General's have to pay bills too, and sometimes that requires defection.
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OUT2THEBLACK, I stand corrected on the Syndrome, but an Alliance operative I am not..
CHRISTHECYNIC Brown Coats are a minority, but I will accept the majority rule of Brown Coat Nation.. I don’t think one man can be an island.
Browncoat7, Many people are Joss fans, and they follow him blindly, as for me I think that he is great and I am a fan of some of his work..
If Firefly came back tomorrow and Joss never wrote another episode of the series and let’s say that Jane Espenson wrote all of the new shows that would be just fine with me…
Boris, I personally don’t believe that global affairs should be discussed here.. I think global topics should be discussed at sites that are devoted to those topics.. I myself like discussing things related to firefly/ Serenity on this site mostly because this site has been a firefly FAN site.
Boris, Generals do defect, I want to know should the troops defect too.
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
CHRISTHECYNIC Brown Coats are a minority, but I will accept the majority rule of Brown Coat Nation.. I don’t think one man can be an island.
So you are saying that blindly accepting the rule of the majority within a group is ok, just so long as the group itself is a minority?
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If Firefly came back tomorrow and Joss never wrote another episode of the series and let’s say that Jane Espenson wrote all of the new shows that would be just fine with me…
Unless of course it came back on Fox (the most likely place for it to do so), in which case if your vote turns out a certain way you will have vowed never to watch it or anything else (other than football) Fox ever again (because watching shows on, or making shows at, Fox is somehow akin to surrender), you would rather watch the TOON Channel for the rest of you life.
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Remember, this isn't defection or surrender, this is one detail away from exactly what we want. Joss is back at Fox producing a show. Anyone and everyone who wants Firefly back on the air wants Joss back at Fox producing a show. The only difference between what is happening and total victory on our part is that the show Joss is producing is not Firefly. It is a gorram huge detail, but if Joss being at Fox producing a show means he has surrendered or defected means that if we ever win (and don't you want to win?) it can likewise be described as surrender or defection because victory will, by defintion, include Joss being at Fox producing a show. Does that seem right to you?
Joss creating a show at Fox is a major victory for us, a step a great distance in the right direction. If Fox screws it over it is a major defeat, such is life. I'm trying to see it from your perspective, truly I am, but given that what most of us seem to want most necessarily involves Joss working for Fox, I don't see how him working for Fox is in itself bad. At best it is a step towards our goal, at worst nothing bad happens to us. Wouldn't it be great if all situations were like that?
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