What are Brown Coats to do?

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HIXIE129

Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:56 AM

I understand everyones' responses. However, for me FOX had been the Alliance, I don't watch FOX ever ( except for sporting events ) I was pissed that Joss signed with FOX.. I felt betrayed. And I still feel that Joss sold out. I feel like Mal after the Battle of Serenity.

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
I understand everyones' responses. However, for me FOX had been the Alliance, I don't watch FOX ever ( except for sporting events ) I was pissed that Joss signed with FOX.. I felt betrayed. And I still feel that Joss sold out. I feel like Mal after the Battle of Serenity.

I suppose I can understand how you feel Hixie, but I must agree with what the others have posted here that you have to separate the current people in charge w/ Fox Television from those who were there when the plug was pulled on Firefly. The shortsighted fools who held the reins then are no longer with Fox. The people there now are different and Joss felt that with the changes he was safe to take his ideas back to them.

Let's face it, the man has a family and they have a powerful need to eat. If Fox extends an offer and Joss has no other irons in the fire, why not take Fox's deal? I suppose that is how Hollywood works.

Look at it this way, if some hits you with a hammer, which do you get mad at, the person or the hammer? The execs who cancelled Firefly are not Fox, they only worked for Fox. See the difference?

Personally I don't watch Fox, but that is more for the fact that their programming doesn't appeal to me at all.

Joss is still Joss. He still has stories to tell, and Serenity is one of them. Perhaps if he is successful at Fox some more doors might open for him to continue ours. We'll just have to wait and see.

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JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:32 PM

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
I understand everyones' responses. However, for me FOX had been the Alliance, I don't watch FOX ever ( except for sporting events ) I was pissed that Joss signed with FOX.. I felt betrayed. And I still feel that Joss sold out. I feel like Mal after the Battle of Serenity.

Hey dude, the guy's gotta eat!
We all sacrifice principles occasionally either to make a living or go along with a group.
You watch Sports on Fox....see, you do it to.

HELL'S KITTEN

Thursday, December 27, 2007 4:33 PM

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
However, for me FOX had been the Alliance, I don't watch FOX ever ( except for sporting events ) I was pissed that Joss signed with FOX.. I felt betrayed. And I still feel that Joss sold out. I feel like Mal after the Battle of Serenity.

...you're kinda scary.

By your own logic, look at it this way: Joss doesn't work with FOX ever ( except for Dollhouse ).

But anyways... you're assuming Joss had a choice in which network he went to first. Was a time when he had a contract that basically meant FOX had all first options on anything Joss wanted to do for television. And that, if I recall correctly, was rumored to be a small part of the reason they decided to dissolve Mutant Enemy after Angel was cancelled. It was also part of the reason, among many many others, that Joss could only bring the Firefly story back through movies or comics, as these media weren't covered by that contract.

Whether or not that part of his contract is still in effect (and whether or not I actually got some of the facts straight after all these years) is irrelevant. You have no idea how things work in that industry and you have no idea what the circumstances are. But by all means, do continue to judge someone you don't know based on something you know nothing about.

Joss will only have "sold out" when he starts writing for reality shows. And if he did? They'd probably be the only watchable ones on air.

EVILDEAD1971

Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:23 PM

i was havin' the same thought myself...

i haven't watched fox since they've cancelled firefly and futurama. now, joss is "back" at fox with the dollhouse. i'm at sorts, but i will watch the dollhouse. joss's writing + eliza's acting = a shiny new show.

who knows, maybe our watching of the new show will prompt fox to reconsider their decision and we get more firefly.

ultimately it would be worth it

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HIXIE129

Friday, December 28, 2007 8:27 AM

With regards to Joss eating and making a living… Joss is very successful financially; this thing about having to eat and to make a living I'm not sure is a good argument. Didn't he give up on Wonder woman because the execs didn't like his version of the tale.. If he really needed the money couldn't he have given them what they wanted..?

CHRISISALL

Friday, December 28, 2007 8:35 AM

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
And I still feel that Joss sold out.

Like a driver in the Indy 500...

Anywhere you get the wheels Chrisisall

ECGORDON

Friday, December 28, 2007 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Hixie129:
With regards to Joss eating and making a living… Joss is very successful financially; this thing about having to eat and to make a living I'm not sure is a good argument. Didn't he give up on Wonder woman because the execs didn't like his version of the tale.. If he really needed the money couldn't he have given them what they wanted..?

If Joss had given them what they wanted, wouldn't you again be accusing him of selling out?

Besides, he came up with Dollhouse at the insistence of Eliza Dushku, who already had a development deal at FOX, and Joss did it as a favor to her. And he is on record as stating there is now a favorable atmosphere at that studio and network. Why can't you accept that?

One other point. Is there any other show you loved that was canceled by a network? Ever? I can't imagine, unless you are very young, that this hasn't happened to you before. If I stopped watching any network that canceled a favorite show of mine at one time or another, there would be no network television at all at my house.

wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

HIXIE129

Friday, December 28, 2007 12:46 PM

I remember WHY I came to this website. I wanted to be with people who were in love with firefly and felt as I did. I wanted to know what they were thinking and I liked all the discussions about the characters and episodes. I came here to get updates on the latest rumors. I like the people that are on the site the last couple of years. I like Brown Coats.

But doesn’t it feel like things have changed? The talk of Firefly/Serenity is so little except for some new converts that ask questions… The new converts are so few these days. The talk on this board is mostly about World events, politics or anything but Firefly or Serenity.

Joss, Adam, Jewel would visit this site from time to time and read the discussions going on between the Brown Coats. All that they can see now are the non-firefly/Serenity discussions.

Maybe it’s our fault that Joss is now with FOX..

HIXIE129

Friday, December 28, 2007 1:18 PM

For me and for many others we knew that there were “them” and “us”. “Them” being the Alliance, the evil FOX network and “us” being Brown Coats. Since there are no more them and only us, what should we do now that there are no more them? Part of the Brown Coat existence was resisting them. And that being said, since it is only us what do us do to fill that void that was dogma in our verse..

I know that I haven’t been bringing my point across... a very feeble example might be: I grew up being told that Saint Christopher was a Saint.. Then after many years was told that he was no longer a Saint…

The verse has changed, the dogma of the verse has changed, I am just looking for answers to what is the new dogma of the verse.

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