What are Brown Coats to do?
POSTED BY: Hixie129
UPDATED: Sunday, January 6, 2008 00:36
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Maybe Joss has the Helsinki syndrome or maybe he has been brainwashed and needs some deprogramming;
Joss is at FOX its done.. What about the loyal Brown Coats, do we surrender to the Evil Alliance?.
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Originally posted by Blackadder7:
I think you have to separate the people from the entity. 'FOX' didn't cancel Firefly. A person did. It serves no real purpose to blame the entity for the shortsightedness of a single individual.
Think of it this way. If you eat at a restaurant, and the food stinks, but a few years later, the place is under new management with a new chef. Would you give the restaurant another chance? I probably would. Looks like Joss would too...
I disagree, it is our purpose to bring Fox to its knees until it relizes that it needs to make more firefly episodes or until it is dead. Muhahaha
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
To use examples from Firefly people like Jayne don't exist as either us or them,
woah there cowboy...
Jayne may not meet YOUR standards as them or us... but he is definitely one of my 'us'!!
He admired Mal and was trying to emulate him...
(with only limited success, but he gets some points for choosing a good role model)
Jayne made a huge mistake by assuming that Simon & River were not part of Mal's crew
(Jayne had wrongly put them into the rich privileged 'them' category)
so of course all that just goes to further your argument...that it is ALL gray area, and we can't just assume someone is against us...
after all, Jayne did fight hard to protect everyone (including himself of course)
I agree w/11thHour that Fox execs (like the execs at any of the networks and/or studios) may screw Joss again over Dollhouse, but they are excited about doing it now...and we have to hope that it is a commercial success which could (in time) lead us to getting Firefly and/or Serenity back in some form....
I have to say that I am VERY impressed w/Miss Eliza Dushku in putting this deal together....
Joss wasn't looking to sign w/Fox any time soon, but once he was all excited about the project it was easy to get him to reconsider (well not EASY, I'm betting that Fox may have had to reassure him about not interfering or being quick to cancel...)
and then finally:
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In closing, let me ask you something.
What would the show have been like if Mal had decided not to let Inara rent the shuttle because she supported unification?
excellent point, I'm sure that Mal had learned that it was a mistake to cut off his nose to spite his face...
that is to say: he needed the money....
but also, I'm guessing that a beautiful woman who had supported the Alliance was probably easier to accept than if it had been some jerk of a dude.
just sayin'
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Isn't this a good time to hold Fox to ransom, arent they crying out to get shows written because of the writers strike...he could of struck a deal to write them some reality bullshit show in return for backing of another Firefly series...or am I totally clueless in how this stuff goes down 
I aim to misbehave 
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe Joss has the Helsinki syndrome or maybe he has been brainwashed and needs some deprogramming;
Nah. Joss is just pulling a move like Angel did when he agreed to work at Wolfram & Hart. The best strategy is to attack evil from the inside.
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Joss is at FOX its done.. What about the loyal Brown Coats, do we surrender to the Evil Alliance?
Not me. I'll wait until Joss gets his show on FOX, then encourage people to watch Dollhouse, and only Dollhouse. Then the ratings will skyrocket for that show (and plummet for everything else) and FOX will beg Joss to create more shows for them.
Then Joss will be declared King of FOX, change the name of the network to JOSS TV, bring back Firefly, and invite all the folks who have worked for him to develop shows for his network.
Works for me.
11th Hour
Loyal Browncoat
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe Joss has the Helsinki syndrome or maybe he has been brainwashed and needs some deprogramming;
Joss is at FOX its done.. What about the loyal Brown Coats, do we surrender to the Evil Alliance?.
If we assume for a moment that you are right and it is Fox, not the people who were at Fox, who are our antagonists then I have to ask you something. How is this a bad thing?
If you are right and we are fighting against Fox how is Joss going into the lair of the beast wielding his greatest weapon (a, presumably, quality TV show) a bad thing?
I've always found that it's more impressive, and more useful, to convert and opponent than to destroy one. If Fox is our enemy better we convert it, and thus win while keeping it intact.
Generally in warfare, keeping a nation intact is best, destroying a nation second best;
keeping an army intact is best, destroying an army second best;
keeping a battalion intact is best, destroying a battalion second best;
keeping a company intact is best, destroying a company second best;
keeping a squad intact is best, destroying a squad second best.
Therefore, to gain a hundred victories in a hundred battles is not the highest excellence;
to subjugate the enemy's army without doing battle is the highest of excellence.
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu, Chapter III
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11thHour
I like it, I don't believe it, but I like it.
hris, Did you even watch Firefly, when did they ever try an convert the Alliance.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
To use examples from Firefly people like Jayne don't exist as either us or them,
woah there cowboy...
Jayne may not meet YOUR standards as them or us... but he is definitely one of my 'us'!!
I'm just sayin' that if we want ridgedly defined groups of Us and Them then Jayne who was fine -no, giddy with the prospect of working with the Alliance to turn members of Us (Simon and River) over to Them (the Alliance) it would seem that Jayne was a member of Them, after all why would a member of Us be so happy to work with Them against Us?
On the other hand Jayne is clearly a member of Us. So Jayne is both with Us and with Them, this cannot be in a strict dichotomy so Jayne does not fit into the Us-Them dichotomy.
If, on the other hand, we drop the idea of a strict Us-Them, which is what I advocate, we can go with the clearly and consider Jayne as one of us with no problem.
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
hris, Did you even watch Firefly, when did they ever try an convert the Alliance.
Never said they did. Would like to point out that, since the end of the war, they have not openly opposed the Alliance either.
They did, however, convert their most powerful enemy to date (the operative) and he was representing the Alliance.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:Quote:
Originally posted by Hixie129:
Maybe Joss has the Helsinki syndrome or maybe he has been brainwashed and needs some deprogramming;
Joss is at FOX its done.. What about the loyal Brown Coats, do we surrender to the Evil Alliance?.
If we assume for a moment that you are right and it is Fox, not the people who were at Fox, who are our antagonists then I have to ask you something. How is this a bad thing?
If you are right and we are fighting against Fox how is Joss going into the lair of the beast wielding his greatest weapon (a, presumably, quality TV show) a bad thing?
I've always found that it's more impressive, and more useful, to convert and opponent than to destroy one. If Fox is our enemy better we convert it, and thus win while keeping it intact.
Generally in warfare, keeping a nation intact is best, destroying a nation second best;
keeping an army intact is best, destroying an army second best;
keeping a battalion intact is best, destroying a battalion second best;
keeping a company intact is best, destroying a company second best;
keeping a squad intact is best, destroying a squad second best.
Therefore, to gain a hundred victories in a hundred battles is not the highest excellence;
to subjugate the enemy's army without doing battle is the highest of excellence.
- The Art of War by Sun Tzu, Chapter III
It may be more impressive and useful to convert an opponent, but sometimes it is High-larious to destroy your opponent.
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