What are Brown Coats to do?
POSTED BY: Hixie129
UPDATED: Sunday, January 6, 2008 00:36
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Originally posted by Hixie129:
But doesn’t it feel like things have changed? The talk of Firefly/Serenity is so little except for some new converts that ask questions… The new converts are so few these days. The talk on this board is mostly about World events, politics or anything but Firefly or Serenity
You have a valid point, but I think it's a natural progression. There are about 30,000 FF Fans here & dozens of other sites with thousands of fans....and there ARE Firefly episode & character conversations every single day. Do they "dominate" this board? No. Should they? I don't know. I've been here over a year now, and I think it's a good mix of FF stuff, other sci-fi stuff, and current events. I mean really, hasn't most of the "limited" run of Firefly been discussed ad nauseum to a degree here? What else do you want to see here? People have got to move on somewhat in their lives....you can't get fixated at one point in time, otherwise you can become a very boring person ( like me ). Actually most of the time in my life I find I don't have a lot to say to people, especially new people. There are so many things these days you really can't discuss with a group of strangers or even people you know...like : politics, religion, and social issues. I've never been good at social mindless small talk...but if you wanna discuss Firefly, Star Trek, Babylon 5, etc etc I'm you're guy. So most people think I'm quiet and shy, because they wouldn't have a clue as to what I like to talk about, or I'd confirm their belief that I was a sci-fi geeky nerd. I go to sci-fi cons all the time.....when I tell co-workers, etc about a comic book I found, or a cult DVD, or that I met Lois Lane, they look at me like I'm 11 years old or something....maybe I am, but I know in my heart that I'll never grow up.
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I agree JS, there are many benefits to this site other than firefly talk.. I am trying to find out if others feel the way I do about how our Brown Coat dogma has changed and what is the NEW dogma...
eample:
They can’t stop the signal, Who are they?, aren’t they “them” the FOX network? Since Joss is with FOX are we to surrender to FOX too?
Hold till I get back,, I didn’t know I had to hold till he returned from another FOX tour.. And what if FOX screws him again.
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Sounds like he sold out to me 
Has he given up on Firefly/Serenity?
Who owns the rights to Firefly now, Fox or the Sci-Fi channel?
Would he have a cause in his contract allowing him to work for other networks?
I hate you Fox 
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Adding to BillyBigBalls questions.
Wasn't this "new execs hype" the same thing they used when Drive was coming out?
Exactly how *NEW* are these new execs?
Were they at F*X when Drive was canned?
More points than answerable questions.
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i think part of the reason people are so mad at fox, cause firefly was a damn good show. i'm on my 4th time of watching the series, in the middle of trash right now. every episode has a moment where im about to cry, where i laugh out loud, where i cheer, where i boo. save for buffy, angel & futurama there is NO OTHER SHOW that makes me feel that way during one episode. heroes is good, but only hiro has the characteristics of a whedon creation.
as for joss joining the alliance... ever hear of a double agent? 
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Maybe I'm nuts, but another possible "angle" to this is that perhaps if Joss' latest show is a big fat cashy-cow money hit, he will once again be the "golden boy" at Fox. Then he can use his power and people skills to get their backing on a new Firefly series. It's a GOOD thing that he's back with Fox...you know the old saying, right? : When you can't walk....no, not THAT one, this one : Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Maybe I'm nuts, but another possible "angle" to this is that perhaps if Joss' latest show is a big fat cashy-cow money hit, he will once again be the "golden boy" at Fox. Then he can use his power and people skills to get their backing on a new Firefly series. It's a GOOD thing that he's back with Fox...you know the old saying, right? : When you can't walk....no, not THAT one, this one : Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.
this is exactly how I look at it!
Joss could hide at home and hold his breath, hoping that someday someone will will give him the money to bring back Firefly and/or make a Serenity sequel....
OR he could continue to be a great and innovative creator of new shows which reminds people (people at Fox and Universal) that they want to work with this guy.... and maybe it is time to bring back that Firefly/Serenity universe which still sells DVDs, inspires websites, and sells comic books.
Joss has said time and time again that he has not let go of Firefly, he loved that more than anything.... but it has to be done right (personally I could be happy with a radio play, but Joss wants his spaceship....)
I'm not giving up my dreams of a future for Firefly on TV or more of Serenity on the big screen... I don't think I'll ever assume that it is dead and gone (and I wonder about fans who give up so easily and are so easily depressed)
It took almost 10 years to get a Star Trek movie made (and they had so many Star Trek (original series) episodes that it was syndicated all over the place, and almost 15 years before the Star Trek universe was back on TV.... I don't think we'll have to wait that long, but if we do then I'll still be a fan and looking forward to enjoy it!
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I wrote a very nice post early on in this discussion that I apparently failed to actually post. That bugs me.
Anyway, it seems to me like having a lack of a clearly defined them should not be as much of a problem as it is for some people. "Us and them," is both overly simplistic and terribly unhelpful.
To use examples from Firefly people like Jayne don't exist as either us or them, people like Book can start as a part of them and move to become a part of us.
The world isn't black and white, there are no clear factions because though people do coeless into groups those groups are fluid with members entering and leaving and the groups themselves changing with their ever evolving membership. ox today is not the fox that there once was, and to judge it on its past mistakes is like judging the Catholic Church based on its actions in the Spanish Inquisition. Is it possible to judge the current orginization via the actions of the past one? Yes, but unless you are trying to be an asshole it probably isn't a good idea.
Fox may be made up of people not significantly different than those who were there when Firefly was executed. It may not. The worst that happens is that Dollhouse undergoes the same treatment as Firefly. Not as if we aren't used to it.
I would caution everyone to remember that the people currently at fox, who have thus far done us no wrong, are in all probability the only ones on earth with the power to bring Firefly back to tv. Maybe making them out to be the root of all evil isn't the most prudent course of action.
I don't consider it selling out to work with fox because the part of fox that wronged us was made up of people. People who are, by all accounts have heard, no longer at fox. I do not think all French people are evil because some French people have treated me like shit, likewise I do not believe every fox employee is evil just because some people employed there treated us like shit in the past. The difference is that the French people who treated me like shit are still French, the fox people who treated us like shit are, apparently, gone.
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In closing, let me ask you something.
What would the show have been like if Mal had decided not to let Inara rent the shuttle because she supported unification?
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Quote:Eliza Dushku, reeeeeeeeeeeally? interesting. Favorable atmospheres provide for favorable opportunities ;)
Originally posted by ECGordon: Besides, he came up with Dollhouse at the insistence of Eliza Dushku, who already had a development deal at FOX, and Joss did it as a favor to her. And he is on record as stating there is now a favorable atmosphere at that studio and network. Why can't you accept that?
Quote:Always with them negative waves, Moriarty. Always with them negative waves. Can't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?
Originally posted by Hixie129: Hold till I get back,, I didn’t know I had to hold till he returned from another FOX tour.. And what if FOX screws him again.
As Gordon said, Joss said there is now a favorable atmosphere at the network, which means the people there are interested in his work, which means they like it. Sometimes you have to take the roundabout route to get where you want to go, do something to gain credibility in order to be able to do the things you want. I'm a strong believer in the idea that if you want something really bad, you'll eventually get it. You're not going to get anywhere if you just sit on your ass and WAIT for it to come to you.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
I would caution everyone to remember that the people currently at fox, who have thus far done us no wrong, are in all probability the only ones on earth with the power to bring Firefly back to tv. Maybe making them out to be the root of all evil isn't the most prudent course of action.
While it is true that there is a different group of executives now at the FOX network than during Firefly's era, I'm not sure it can be stated that they have "done us no wrong". Case in point, the show Drive. But one would have had to be quick to have caught that show... FOX gave Drive a whopping 8 days to prove itself, and then killed it.
Considering that Drive had the involvement of Whedonverse allum such as Tim Minear, Nathan Fillion and Amy Acker, I'd say we fans were hurt by yet another murder in the crib.
All that aside, I still believe that Joss would not join forces again with FOX unless he had enough confidence that his show would receive better treatment. He may also feel that the premise of Dollhouse will have a better chance of grabbing audience numbers faster than the harder-to-define Firefly. I'm sure Joss is also only going in with more control built into his contract.
As much as the fans were devastated by the death of Firefly, no one was crushed more than Joss. No way he would go back into the lions' den unless he was better armed this time. Joss ain't dumb, and he understands the nature of the biz much better than many of the fans who ponder on his decisions.
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