40 lashes here, 200 lashes there.........
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 13:02
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Originally posted by SpaceHopper:
It’s her own idiot fault (the teacher, not the rape victim).
I am in full agreement about the ludicrousness of the rape incident, but anyone who names a bear Mohammed in a public environment in a Muslim country needs some sense hitting into them.
Muslim countries are different from Western countries; everyone in the world knows that. So a wise person who decides to immigrate to a Muslim country (oxymoron?) would surely do some research into the little nuances that make the country different from her own. And surely at some point that person would stumble upon the religious aspects of life in Muslim country, which would in turn lead her to a few stories about a man named Mohammed.
I thought that most people knew that Mohammed is the most important person in the Islamic faith and as such it is a word anyone not of Muslim faith should avoid at all costs for fear of offending an easily offended people in some way. (Hell, I probably offended a few Muslim’s just then, who knows?)
Anyway, by now the person should be thinking to herself, “Remember that name, note it down as a major ‘buzz word’ and don’t use it without first seeking the advice of a resident Muslim.”
So, when her pupils say to her, “Let’s name a stuffed bear Mohammed”, alarm bells should have starting going off her head. Really big, really loud alarm bells.
Then she could have gone to any Muslim, anywhere, and they would have told her that giving the name of the prophet Mohammed to an inanimate object is a very unwise thing to do indeed. Call it Steve instead; no-one’s bothered about a bear called Steve.
Hello,
I strongly disagree. It is not intuitive that Mohammed (sp?) is a wrong name for a bear. After the flap over Danish cartoons, one might think that even mentioning Mohammed is a crime. However, the most popular kid in that teacher's class was named Mohammed. Why, then, would any rational individual think that naming a bear Mohammed is a problem? Clearly, Mohammed is a name commonly given to people who are not the famed prophet. Why not bears?
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
I believe that Mohammed is the most popular name in the Arabic world. I would imagine that with millions of people named Mohammed there must be many, many occasions where someone says something like "your'e a jerk Mohammed, or fuck you Mohammed. I'm sure they don't get lashed or hung for that. NO...this is about some neaderthal barbarians who have bloodlust to whip this 50+year old British Citizen in public...period. They really don't like it too much when a TEACHER tries to teach their kids anything....the Taliban in Afghanistan routinely drag teachers out of school and behead them in the streets as a warning to others. They need to keep their children un-educated, to grow up as savage as they are...otherwise their cult "religion" would be exposed within their own ranks as blood curdling & sadistic. What do you think she'll look like after 40 lashes?...if she's still alive that is? Her back will be laid bare, and it will take many months to heal, all that time she'll be in agonizing, writhing pain. British citizens all over the world will have to live their lives every day with that knowledge if Britain fails to act to stop it. They must send in the Marines or some elite force to go to Khartum and free her. Invade the country if necessary, do whatever it takes to stop this atrocity from happening.
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And after that can I borrow those marines to do much the same thing in the deep south of our own country, as well as Alberta, Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic ?
I'm sure Jordan Riak and Shelby Earnshaw could give you a nice long list of primo targets.
And if they couldn't - I damn well could, and probably a longer one covering off-the-books facilities as well.
Not sayin the folk who wanna lash a teacher over something so goddamn stupid ain't assholes, mind you.... just sayin that we do as much and worse, to kids, who often wind up dead over it, right here in the good ole US of A, only it never makes the fucking news till the bodies pile up, IF even then.
I'm all down for sending a team to rescue someone in that situation, but when I can cite a laundry list of casualties (deaths only, not including the maimed or psychologically destroyed) at the hands of our own via similar reasoning, and similar methods.
I'd damn sure like to borrow that strike team when yer done with it...
-Frem
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/HolyTheChildren.html
Take a good long look at that list, people.
YOU try gettin any sleep with that many ghosts haunting YOUR conscience...
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I really don't know where you're coming from here. Nowhere in America, including the South is it public or religious policy to criminalize trivial actions with brutal bloody punishment.
We've got all these " so-called" womens rights groups running around America hysterical because some women want to breast feed in public, or go topless in public...oh the horror!...but these groups don't say a gorram word about the atrcocities against women and children of Islam, and innocent Westerners who are there to try to do some good work and get caught up in some childish and ridiculous savage and barbaric Sharia Law violation.
Also...what does that list you provided have anything to do with this topic? Just for that, you can't have my strike team.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
What the f*ck DOESN'T insult Islam? 40 lashes for a teddy bear???? 200 lashes for being in a car and getting gang raped?
Could be worse. In Taliban's Afganistan they'd be dead. One for having sex, the other for being a female teacher.
In Nigeria I'm fairly certain there woulda been a stoning. And believe me, getting stoned in Nigeria is not as fun as getting stoned in southern California.
Everything insults Islam, even Islam. Its all a matter of degree. Allah demands they get lashed, or stoned, or lose a hand, or a head.
Oprah, Hillary, NOW, they can't comment...because they're women and its not their place to be critical of the Muslim world.
H
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Originally posted by Hero:
Oprah, Hillary, NOW, they can't comment...because they're women and its not their place to be critical of the Muslim world.
Why not? They shoot off their pieholes every day about every pissant issue there is. It's time for the Civilized World to stand up and denounce this cult of death and enslavement. Rushdie tried with Satanic Verses...he was a visonary in trying to inform the world of the growing dangers of radical Islam. So was that author in Holland who was stabbed to death in the street for "insulting Islam". The West has NEVER really confronted the Saudis, the Mullahs, et al on this. It's time to! Embargos, blockades, tariffs, freezing assets held in the West etc. are all tools to rein in the barbarians. The question, some day, will boil all the way down to one fundamental position :
Either we're gonna find new energy sources ( like Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, ethanol, coal, nuclear, etc. or we need to just take by force what we need to survive. Life on Earth since the beginning has always been about survival. All these oil-rich cocksuckers in the Middle East would be speaking Nazi German if not for England and America. Fuck 'em!
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Quote:There's also conservation, solar, and wind power.
The question, some day, will boil all the way down to one fundamental position :
Either we're gonna find new energy sources ( like Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, ethanol, coal, nuclear, etc. or we need to just take by force what we need to survive.
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Any Americans here mind that other nations consider them barbaric and primitive for having the death penalty?
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"Nowhere in America, including the South is it public or religious policy to criminalize trivial actions with brutal bloody punishment."
In the good ol' USA barbaric punishment is done as a business, for money. I suppose that makes it better.
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Originally posted by rue:
"Nowhere in America, including the South is it public or religious policy to criminalize trivial actions with brutal bloody punishment."
In the good ol' USA barbaric punishment is done as a business, for money. I suppose that makes it better.
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Bless the beasts and the children,
For in this world they have no choice
They have no voice.
Bless the beasts and the children,
Give them shelter from the storm.
Keep them safe.
Keep them warm.
If you don't mind, please tell me where in the USA there is barbaric punishment meted out by businesses for money?
And I'm talking about public hangings, stonings, whippings and other forms of Islamic cruelty. And yes ...some states in America still have capital punishment...most by lethal injection. We consider that proper justice for the victims and their families for the most henious crimes....not adultery, or being in a car with boys, or naming a Teddy Bear, or showing your ankles in public. Why you continue to spin spin spin on this is a mystery to me. Maybe you've just drunk too much anti-American koolaid over the years to have any objectivity left in you. Spinners, apologists, moral equivocators, appeasers, etc. are gonna be the death of us all someday.
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No, I actually think sharia law is barbaric.
But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed. You can get locked up for life even if your third crime is stealing a video tape. And if you haven't noticed jail is a hell-hole. And the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
I'm just trying to point out that we all have blind spots and USers thinking that the country is the acme of rational justice is one of them.
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"Where in the US is there "barbaric punishment meted out by businesses for money"."
I thought that was pretty obvious from Frem's link.
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