40 lashes here, 200 lashes there.........
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 13:02
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Originally posted by rue:
But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed.
Wow, I usually just give them a $150 fine and a 6 month license suspension and that the mandatory state penalty. To get "years" your small amount would have to be alot.
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DEA.
Oh yeah, don't they also confiscate all property including real estate and bank accounts when they make the bust ?
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"I really don't know where you're coming from here. Nowhere in America, including the South is it public or religious policy to criminalize trivial actions with brutal bloody punishment."
Bullshit, Jong - These facilities I name get money from both religious and government sources, that makes it a matter of policy.
"If you don't mind, please tell me where in the USA there is barbaric punishment meted out by businesses for money?"
How big a list would you like ?
A hundred ?
Two hundred ?
I can keep going, you know...
Dude, I'm tellin you the facts, there's a whole shitload of facilities right here in the good ole USA who use doctrines for "behavior modification" right out of the old intel agency blackops playbook, given that's where they learned it in the first place back when they were Synanon/The Seed - and kids wind up sent there for such ridiculous shit as violating curfew or even just being kids, really...
And a lot of em die.
Beatings, druggings, hours of restraint, forced isolation, force-marches in freezing or baking conditions, which have been responsible for a great part of the deaths especially among girls.
So, umm... whipping someone is bad, but force-marching little girls to death is ok, then ?
And you and me, we're gonna have us a discussion about sharia law in a minnit, which is gonna be it's own post as it deserves it, cause imma get it through to you if I have to use a brick to pound it in.
Like I said, I am *ALL FOR* stopping such abuses of human beings, but for a fact, I'd like to stop them here as well as over there.
Yeah, read that again, slowly, one word at a time... numnuts, I want *ALL* that shit stopped, just cause I can point out it happens here doesn't mean I don't give a fuck about them doin it to an American or Brit over there neither, and I am in complete agreement with sending a team to spring them if diplomacy fails us in that respect.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Re: Sharia Law
Jong, you don't think I know that shit is barbaric, that I don't consider it to be barbaric ?
You're letting your emotions and anger get in the way of your reasoning and for that, cause you have some cause to be pissed and upset, I'm lettin a lot of your stupidity slide here, especially since your own racism and theological hatreds which were indoctrinated to you by people not one whit better are showing through, and I would verbally rip you a new one for that under most circumstances.
Turn it around, if some of these hardcore southern baptists could get away with stoning folk here, they'd damn well do it, but they can't because every time they try to infect our secular government with religious zealotry, there's some crazy bastard like me standing in the way - we americans managed to keep that shit from getting a foothold here, and for damned sure I would like to keep it that way.
Now, politically, we got no right to dictate someone else's government to them, but from a simple human rights aspect sure, we're obligated to make our displeasure known, via trade sanctions or what have you...
But remember, the two guys who did the most to run religion OUT of government over there, we deposed and/or executed - those two being Mohammed Mossedeigh and Saddam Hussien, the latter being a dickheaded tyrant, but not without the redeeming quality of trying to break Sharia Law with a secular government.
These Sharia Law practicing dickheads have proven to be a bulwark against foreign meddling ever since 1979 when they ran the Shah, a guy we propped up after deposing Mossedeigh, right out of town on a rail - AND in Afghanistan, with a bit of help from us, ran the russians right back over the border.
Because of this, folks in these three countries, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran.. trust these assholes more than us, it's a fact, no matter how unpleasant, and will tolerate this shit from them because they see these goons and their armies as an effective bulwark against foreign intervention or meddling.
It's the same stupidity that kept Castro in power for years and years, the more we fuck with em, the more their own people cling to them in hopes of being protected from us.
You can NOT come from outside and force that change, look at Iraq now and what a complete disaster this has become because of that kind of stupidity - you HAVE to convince the locals to do it themselves, because as long as they support these nimrods, these nimrods are gonna have power over there, and you don't break that support by creating martyrs via slaughtering folk who support em, for every one you kill that way ten more sign up.
I posted above, a simple, step by step process to completely fuck their day ALL up, get those people, many of whom are sick of living under their lash, to pretty much burn the fuckers at the stake without even implicating the person who uses that process as it's cause.
Do you think I woulda done that, given just how *revealing* of certain things that info is, if I did not want these Sharia Law practicing assholes slaughtered like the pigs they are by their own people ?
Lemme offer it from their point of view - if the UN came here to put a stop to our aggression, sent Bush to the gallows, and started burning down our "decadent" churches...
Do you really think we wouldn't pull out everything from cheap gangbanger nines to all those assault rifles we're pretending not to have so the BATFE doesn't send us to the gulag... and run those blue helmet fuckers right back into the atlantic ocean ?
Glory hell, it'd be like a free fire day at knob creek with live popup targets!
And you'd throw in real quick even with them liberals and socialists and various other folk you'd otherwise like to see swingin from a rope, long as they were willing to shoulder a rifle and carry extra ammo, wouldn't you ?
ESPECIALLY if they had more guys and bigger guns.
Well, that's how the locals in those countries view these shitheads, they hate em, but they hate US worse cause we're over there shittin
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
No, I actually think sharia law is barbaric.
But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed. You can get locked up for life even if your third crime is stealing a video tape. And if you haven't noticed jail is a hell-hole. And the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world.
I'm just trying to point out that we all have blind spots and USers thinking that the country is the acme of rational justice is one of them.
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"Where in the US is there "barbaric punishment meted out by businesses for money"."
I thought that was pretty obvious from Frem's link.
Well said.
-River
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
No, I actually think sharia law is barbaric.
But the US has it's own brand of barbarism. You can get locked up in jail for years for a small amount of weed.
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I had a "friend" that used to smoke a little pot when he was young. The worst thing that ever happened to me, I mean him, was that a cop made him dump his baggie on the side of the road. I think he might have preferred to be Tazed.
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Frem...I wouldn't even know where to begin to respond to your term paper here, except to say the following:
I enjoy the fact that FFF posters here are intelligent and have varying opinions on issues.
I gave up years ago trying to debate liberals, anarchists, and atheists.
Now I just post what I feel...I'm not looking to debate you or anybody else. You and others post what you want and I read them, sometimes I can learn something, often I cannot. So chill my man....all is good.
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Sooo.. yer just a racist, ideological zealot hating on them cause you were told to, without an actual interest in fixing the problem, then ?
That's disappointing. 
If yer not willing to fix it then shut the fuck up about it.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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How 'bout you shut up? I'll shut up when you do.
You are boring and unrelenting in your accusations that I'm being fed koolaid or something....that's a drink strictly reserved for air-heads like you. Go flame yourself.
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Gentlemen,
There is no need to make personal attacks.
The irony here is that you all hate injustice, and are simply divided about how to recognize and remedy it. Here are people within arm's reach of each other's position, insulting each other.
Let us limit ourselves to discussing ideas, positions, philosophies, and plans, and leave the personal attacks at the door.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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