At precisely what point should we be alarmed at human rights violations?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 18:06
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Originally posted by Hero:
Our respect for human rights is essential, but must always come secondary to survival.
Your post was well-worded Hero, and even funny, but I think where we differ is "Survival". You see it like it's an all-or-nothing proposition...if we lose we die...or so it would seem from your post.
We can't be responsible for a rogue Jack Bauer type- but once we legitimize, through legislation or consent, the ways of the savage, then we ARE that savage.
Chrisisall
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Your post was well-worded Hero, and even funny, but I think where we differ is "Survival". You see it like it's an all-or-nothing proposition...if we lose we die...or so it would seem from your post.
I guess that I just don't want to leave the issue of our survival to the mercy of our enemies.
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We can't be responsible for a rogue Jack Bauer type- but once we legitimize, through legislation or consent, the ways of the savage, then we ARE that savage.
I note for the record that Jack Bauer who tortures, murders, and drives without a seat belt...is an EXTREMELY popular character suggesting that the majority of people approve of such actions under the right circumstances (like right before a commercial break). I note for the record that all of life's really bad things happen in the last five or first five minutes of any given hour.
Edited to add: And somebody explain to me how a single, highly trained agent can drive anywhere in LA in five minutes or less but his highly trained team of back up agents is always ten minutes away by helicopter.
H
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Quote:HERO-This is the all-or-nothing part. Enemies. All of them. All willing to drop THE BIG ONE on us if they can.
I guess that I just don't want to leave the issue of our survival to the mercy of our enemies.
In reality, people our are enemies to varying degrees. Some may want to bury/isolate us economically. Others may simply want to thwart our hold on Mideast oil. Others may stand aside and let third parties do the dirty-work. Still others may feel that they need an invulnerable self-defense. Only a few really hate the USA with a white-hot passion aimed at destroying the USA in toto, and those are typically not affiliated with bona-fide nations which generally have a lot to lose in a no-holds-barred fight (altho there are exceptions to everything). Because even our enemies have self-interest. You just learn to create win-win situations where you can, and where you can't you deal in proportionate response. It's called realism. You may have heard of it.
BTW- The USA airwaves are saturated with nonsense like "24". That's what makes us a nation of idiots. Not saying that you are.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
I get antsy 'bout stuff like that Chrisisall
But when other governments worldwide starve, murder, rape, beat, imprison, relocate, and otherwise deprive large portions of their populations of human rights, not so much, eh?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Quote:Geezer, show me please where I've NOT called Chinese government a bunch of evil neo-comms...
Originally posted by Geezer:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I get antsy 'bout stuff like that Chrisisall
But when other governments worldwide starve, murder, rape, beat, imprison, relocate, and otherwise deprive large portions of their populations of human rights, not so much, eh?
I've condemned what's happening at Darfur, the treatment of Palistinians...I hated the South African government way before Lethal Weapon 2 made it fashionable...
Please don't lay that trip on me bro, we actually see eye-to-eye on many things here, K?
Chrisisall
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Quote:Updrafts.
Originally posted by Hero:
And somebody explain to me how a single, highly trained agent can drive anywhere in LA in five minutes or less but his highly trained team of back up agents is always ten minutes away by helicopter.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Geezer, I wonder: Are you being a dick on purpose or can't you help yourself? You toss off this stuff as if it's somehow meaningful, but all you're doing- as usual- is putting words in someone else's mouth.
But when other governments worldwide starve, murder, rape, beat, imprison, relocate, and otherwise deprive large portions of their populations of human rights, not so much, eh?
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Always look upstream.
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Originally posted by Geezer:
"When they came for the robbers and murderers
I remained silent,
Because I was not a robber or murderer"
"Keep the Shiny side up"
Touche. Actually, I saw to it that they were aware that they had the right to remain silent.
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Geezer, show me please where I've NOT called Chinese government a bunch of evil neo-comms...
I've condemned what's happening at Darfur, the treatment of Palistinians...I hated the South African government way before Lethal Weapon 2 made it fashionable...
Show me where most anyone here HAS started a thread calling the Chinese, or the Sudanese, or the North Koreans on their human rights abuses.
I tried a couple of times concerning Zimbabwe, but all I got back was either 'the US does worse' or 'the US government isn't doing enough to stop it'.
I'm very much afraid that here in RWEDland, my earlier theory holds true. If it ain't the US or their allies accused of human rights violations, no one wants to talk about it.
Tell me true, when you started this thread, who were you thinking of as being the human rights violater?
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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