At precisely what point should we be alarmed at human rights violations?
POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 18:06
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Pick one.
A) As long as it's limited to wacky protesters getting beat, designated enemy combatants doing goofy nude photos, and the occasional unlucky Joe getting tazed, I see no reason for alarm.
B) When I, personally, experience abuse at the hands of a representative of government at some time.
C) When I, personally, experience abuse at the hands of a representative of government on a daily or weekly basis.
D) After we become a bonafide fascist dictatorship.
E) Any violation of human rights is enough for alarm- best to be aware of/catch these things while they're still relatively small, lest the fangs of fascism close on us while we sleep.
F) I trust that those in authority have only our best interests at heart, and I resent this "poll", and YOU, Commie Chrisisall, AND your tinfoil hat!!
Respect-for-authority-challenged Chrisisall
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LoLoLzzzz
When did you become one of them trollfolk, Chrisisall?
Just askin, cause my tinfoil-hat ass knows exactly what you're saying, but for that you've invoked a mighty tempest from which the hand of God itself will gracefully emerge and come down upon thee as if in an open handed gesture of friendship.....
Just before it flies straight across your face, in what will go down in history as the bitch slap of the 21st century, while he exclaims "Whatchu talkin' bout Willis!?" in a 20 something Gary Coleman's voice. All for foolishly speaking the Devil's words like that.
I pity the fool who disses the Status Quo!!!!!
DISCLAIMER: The above message brought to you by a person who is of date unconfirmed in any religion but thinks about spirituality and lives every day like there is a God, as a human who makes mistakes, and has a track record here for defending God probably more than the bonafide Christians do.
Not that that makes what he said any better. Just sayin' is all....
(NOTE: Firefox is dumber than me because I went to dictionary.com and discovered that bonafide spelling of the word bonafide is bonafide eventhough Firefox keeps telling me that bonafide is spelled wrong as bonafide, buy putting a miniature string of red dots under every single bonafide which I posted in this bonafide idiotic rambling.
Be sure to buy me a beer for snorting your chocolate milk out of your nose when you laughed if you ever see me at Dragon Con.....
Chris too....)
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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I would go with E.
Here's why:
When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)
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G) When it is actually human right violations, and not just someone calling it that because they have some issue with authority or political or economic ax to grind.
Police should taser you if you resist arrest. You have no right to sleep if you’re a known terrorist and an act of terrorism is suspected which you may have information about. You should be bitch slapped upside the head by a 300 lb dude named Ben Dover, if you molest a child.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Oh, 'bout the time two cops shot a student at my girlfriend's college for asking for badge numbers after they beat a drunk dude unconscious for not quietly getting into an ambulance...
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
When did you become one of them trollfolk, Chrisisall?
I get antsy 'bout stuff like that Chrisisall
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Quote:I have major issues with authority, and this stems from the unprofessionalism I've witnessed in my years- from our Presidents to our police. That I have an ax to grind in no way changes the facts of these violations, or their destructive effects upon our society.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
G) When it is actually human right violations, and not just someone calling it that because they have some issue with authority or political or economic ax to grind.
Laugh it up, fuzzball Chrisisall
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Awesome poem Veteran (or your choice of literary category for it here). One which I remember reading before but couldn't ever tell you where. Most likely, I'm guessing, in an old Disney cartoon that was thrown in the heap of old Disney cartoons too un-PC to be fit for viewing today, like the original cut of Fantasia which had a black girl Centaur slaving away for the white Centaur.
Might I be so bold to add a current event situation similar to that since it hasn't visibley gotten that bad for most yet?
"When they came for the smokers....
I remained silent
I was not a smoker....." ~ 6SJ 
Not to lessen the message by any means. Just in awe of how history repeats itself in so many mysterious, and yet, subtle ways. "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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"When they came for Finn,
I remained silent;
I was not a MacCumhal".
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Quote:I think it does. Having a problem with authority, or have some desire to mischaracterise a president or country you don’t agree with, makes you willing to make accusations that aren’t valid. The truth is that some people spend a great deal of time trying to convince me that we are living in Nazi Germany, yet their horrific accusations never materialize. How many times should I believe someone who repeated screams fire when there is no fire. A population should be vigilant against the encroachment of government power, but vigilance against a threat and crying wolf are two different things. And the more often you cry wolf, the less you’ll be believed, and the more people who cry wolf the less vigilant a people will be. The truth is that screaming about human rights violations by our government when it is nothing more then your issue with authority puts us in more danger, not less.
Originally posted by chrisisall:
I have major issues with authority, and this stems from the unprofessionalism I've witnessed in my years- from our Presidents to our police. That I have an ax to grind in no way changes the facts of these violations, or their destructive effects upon our society.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
At precisely what point should we be alarmed at human rights violations? Pick one.
It depends. There's sort of a decision/action tree at work, especially in RWED.
IF the alleged violator is not the US or a US ally
THEN no one is ever alarmed
IF the alleged violator is a US ally
THEN Chris's (E option applies
IF the alleged violator is the US
THEN don't wait for evidence or proof, be alarmed!
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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