Normally, the UN can kiss my ass, but.....
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 04:17
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Quote:Yeah, that could be true. Not everyone in my family is real bright.
Originally posted by rue:
taser - "which my uncles and cousin used on themselves for fun one Memorial Day"
I apologize but the first thing that comes to mind is that there were only so many brains to go around in your family, and a few relatives got really short-changed.
Quote:Actually civilians can own tasers. I’m not sure where the taser came from, but I think it may have been my cousin’s, who is a security guard. Either way, they each tasered the other for some reason. Granted that’s probably a lot less traumatizing then being tased by an officer you don’t know trying to subdue you, but it certainly demonstrates in my mind how benign these devices are as a weapon. If you own a taser, I don’t recommend tasing yourself or something else for that matter who is not a threat, but every officer issued a taser, gets tased to experience the effect.
Originally posted by rue:
And which one is the cop ? Isn't it illegal for ordinary citizens to have these things ? And doesn't that say something about the quality of police force ?
And no, it doesn't say anything about the quality of security guards or police officers, just because one guy decides to play around with his taser at a family function. It might say something about the judgement of that one guy, but probably not near as much as you'd like.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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"Tasers do NOT result in death. In every recorded case it has been due to additional factors almost always involving resistance from the suspect and use of additional weapons or techniques"
Unadulterated Bullshit, Tpage.
I've posted case after case, even two full studies where it was fully implicated - hell, they've even got a bullshit excuse, calling it "Excited Delirium".
But find me ONE single. solitary. case.
Where someone died from "ED" other than in police custody, as a result of compression asphixia, reaction to pepper spray, tasering, or some combination of the above.
Find me ONE single. case.
ONE.
So far, nobody's been able to do that, and what that tells me is that "ED" deaths are bullshit, and a coverup for murder-by-police, negligent or intentional.
And before you even open your mouth so shovel the rest of the shitstorm excuse, less than a QUARTER of all supposed "ED" deaths had any drugs or alcohol in their system.
If yer gonna argue the case, do it with something other than a set of Faery-Tale talking points someone else spoonfed you, thanks, cause I am gettin downright sick of that.
Beyond that is the simple common sense concept that we use, medically, electrical shock to the chest cavity to restart (paddles) or regulate (pacemaker) heart function, and is it so painfully hard to believe that a substantial electrical shock to the chest cavity under stressful conditions could UN-regulate heart function ?
The Taser is not, repeat *NOT*, a non-lethal device, even the US Military classifies it as a LESS-lethal device, as in less lethal than getting shot, which is the alternative.
Yes, used properly, they could save lives where otherwise you'd have no alternative but to shoot someone - but it's come down to the simple fact that the police as a force have proven beyond a doubt that without a radical reform of use policy, or revamp of force structure, they simply can NOT be trusted with the damned things.
What's worse is that it got this ugly in part due to denial and shouting down folks pointing out the problem for eighteen straight months before it became undeniably clear that there was a serious problem here - and now that abuse is completely rampant, good LUCK sticking that genie back in the bottle now that police have the ability to deliver a little vigilante "street justice" on those they don't like, or don't display complete subservience.
They know, even if it's a bullshit arrest that'll be thrown out before it ever gets to court, that they "got theirs" by handing out some pain and suffering - the EXACT SAME mindset and behavior one finds in juvenille street gangs or criminal mafias, only we accept this one lording over us because of the insane belief that words on paper can protect us from the ugly realities of life.
It's stupid, end to end, and unless they are willing to accept the revamps, reforms and oversight that would be absolutely *required* to prevent their abuse of the device, then hell no, they shouldn't have it - and even dumber is that adopting them and placing the Taser correctly on the force continuum would actually offer some level of legal protection to officers who did have to use one because they would be able to justify it's use in a court of law... but nope, they want their ego stroked more than they want the job done.
And that really tells me all I need to know, doesn't it ?
"Well, all I can say is that if this is the direction we're moving in, I can only consider the cops as my enemy, and by extension, myself a criminal. Go ahead. Keep pushing us."
Sarge, as I have said before, I have an understanding with the locals of the police dept, since they live here too - out of uniform, off duty, I will treat them as a person and fellow human, just like anyone else... especially since I fix small engine yard equipment around here...
But when they don the blues and the badge, they're the enemy, a jackbooted fascist thug and strongarm of the states oppressive apparatus and they'll be treated as such - their job *requires
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Wow, both barrels, clipped duplicate post.
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Quote:I'm interested when the UN invented malaria. Apparrently they've killed people with their meddling, and to support that we're given malaria deaths. Logically for that not to be a contradiction, the UN would have to have created malaria, no?
Originally posted by rue:
Not even 32.9 million.
You forget that 1) populations were lower in the 1980's and there were fewer people to infect and 2) malaria has been spreading to places - including cities - where it never existed before, infecting a far larger percentage of people than ever.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Rue,
Full of attitude? lol, thats funny
Im curious where you get your facts from. Ever worn a badge? Ever faced a man with a gun, or a woman for that matter, or watched while a criminal threatened to kill an innocent bystander?
Love to know where you get the 500x more dangerous to be a a farmer or a logger. I live in an area rife with logging, and abundant in farm land.
Does your statement mean that for every police officer killed or injured on the job, there are 500 injuries or deaths in these other fields? I'm just curious, not bashing what you said.
And, as I recall, polio was declared 'eradicated' some years back, yet we're still seeing polio cases. I admit that I hadn't read where the UN eradicated smallpox, but if they did, then good. I stand corrected, they have done one thing worth talking about.
That doesn't trump their uselessness in other areas though. Face it, the UN is just another bloated program that exists largely on funds provided by the US taxpayers, for which our thanks is their unwavering opposition to all things American.
How's that for attitude, dude?
Bad_karma
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Citizen, I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he's saying is that if the UN had not meddled, there would have been 32 million fewer malaria deaths. Apparently left to their own devices, the local folks would have found an effective and affordable way to stop malaria cold.
Now, I'm not saying he's right. Frankly, I think it's a rather silly position to take.
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Having read some of the recent posts in this thread after my last one, I once again find myself wondering why I bother. The fact is that everyone has an opinion, and they will stick to it no matter what. And I don't exclude myself from that either.
I'm convinced that ESD's are a good tool, and oppose any effort to take them off the board as an alternative to shooting someone. I wore a badge for many years, and despite what some of you seem to think, honest cops hate dirty ones. It may be that my difference of opinion comes from living in a less populated area, I don't know. I'm aware that many of the older and larger cities are plagued with PD's that are essentially a old boy network, covering for each other.
You can all say that the job isnt dangerous, and fall back on 'let them find another job'. But what will you do when you need them, and find that they're all off driving the cab, or logging, or whatever other more dangerous job you claim to have found?
Anyway, I got better things to do than keep hammering my head against a wall like this, and I imagine you guys do to. There's a simple answer, once you strip away the hysteria and hype.
But since when do we do the simple things here in America. I mean, the simple things don't get us on TV do they?
So argue me out, and take care all.
Bad_karma
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Quote:Someone found an analysis of deaths in the United States based on occupation, and posted it in one of the RWED threads. If you search FFF you might be able to find it, but I know I was rather surprised to see how many professions had a higher casualty rate than police officers.
Originally posted by badkarma00:
Love to know where you get the 500x more dangerous to be a a farmer or a logger. I live in an area rife with logging, and abundant in farm land.
If Rue quotes 500x, I'm sure it's right. I don't remember the details.
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
I'm interested when the UN invented malaria. Apparrently they've killed people with their meddling, and to support that we're given malaria deaths. Logically for that not to be a contradiction, the UN would have to have created malaria, no?
The UN based on bad science, halted the use of the most effective insecticide(DDT) to prevent the "Malaria vector"(Mosquito)for 30 years. Maybe "killing" is to harsh, would you prefer negligent homicide.
"Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU"
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It's called self-defense, kid.
Cops arrive in time to draw the chalk outlines anyhow, and I don't intend them to be around me.
But seriously, I just want em to DO the job they're paid to do without the abuse and whinging, is that too much to ask ?
Cause if it is... why have em ?
-F
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